What is the problem?

**parasite** · 07-23-2004, 04:21 PM

Hey guys, i'm not use to posting on this or any other forum so please, be patient.

I started a course on June 1 st of 1000mg of sus a week along with 35mg of d.bol plus 25mg of nonvadex a day. Come week 3 I changed to 750mg of Test X and 250mg of Test enanthate a week . I'm now on 1000mg of Test Enanthate a week for another 3 weeks. Through all this i've taken 25mg a day of novadex. I've done course's like this before and done really well but this time i just can't seem to grow, i've put on like 4 pounds and i've gotten WEAKER in the gym. The only thing i can put it down to is this course is a bit lighter than my last but not by much. My diet is like this;

Wake up; 30 minutes cardio on excersise bike
BREAKFAST
4 egg whites
5 whole egg bacon ommelet
Bowl of corn flakes
1 protein mix (45grames of protien)

2 and a half hours later
two turkey breast
3 potato waffles

2 and a half hours later
Protein mix

WORKOUT
post workout double protein mix (80 grames of protein)

2 hours after my last protein mix
2 turkey breast
4 egg whites

2 and a half hours later
protein mix

2 hours later
Meal Replacement (55 grames of protein)

I have about 3 liters of water a day, if i want a snack in between meals, i'll have a EAS protein bar

I always thought my diet was pretty good, i know there's a lot of protein mix's in there but its hard to fit meals in with work etc.

I'm 22 years old,
6'3'
205lbs
Arms; 17inchs warm, 16 and a half cold
Waist; 32-33
chest; 41-42

I just don't understand why i'm getting weaker.
Could you guys tell me what you think of my diet and my course.

Thanks

**dirtdawg** · 07-23-2004, 04:24 PM

bro, stop switching your doses, you are going to fvck your blood levels up, enth doesnt kick in until 4-5 weeks, be patient and eat

**map200uk** · 07-23-2004, 04:29 PM

be patient

why did u do dbol alone for 3 wks THEN add test?

whats test x, u say u changed to 750 test x + 250 test e so 1g/wk

then changed to 1g test e alone? so how long have u been on the test e 1g and what is test x

**thejuiceisloose** · 07-23-2004, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by dirtdawg

bro, stop switching your doses, you are going to fvck your blood levels up, enth doesnt kick in until 4-5 weeks, be patient and eat

I agree you will mess up your blood levels, youre going to throw your body out of whack. and DIRTDAWG is right, it wont kick in until the 5th or 5th week

**dirtdawg** · 07-23-2004, 04:39 PM

are you only going to run enth for 3 more weeks?for us to help you out, post your cycle because i dont understand what you have done and what you are going to do,also what do you have right now

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-23-2004, 04:50 PM

Here we go...Now, The reason you run DBOL in the beginning is basically a kick start (while the TEST kicks in). So, not running Test since day 1, your screwing up your cycle. TEST needed to be ran on day one because Most Tests take up to 4 weeks to kick in. Actually the more I read his post the more confused I am??? I'm not sure why you switched your test? Please layout your cycle. I hope to GOD this isn't your first becuase you are running WAY TO MUCH TEST...I'm spent...

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-23-2004, 04:52 PM

again, the more I read this, I think he was running Sust on day one, but switched to Enan nd he's only going to run Enan 3 weeks???

**dirtdawg** · 07-23-2004, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

again, the more I read this, I think he was running Sust on day one, but switched to Enan nd he's only going to run Enan 3 weeks???

i think we are more confused than he is

**TheMudMan** · 07-23-2004, 05:19 PM

Bro, you should have gained something from the D-bol alone.......... Plus I agree with the other's stop switch dosages and stop switching tests.

I would check to see if the D-bol was bunk.......... who knows if that is then everything your source sold you may be........... but it will take a few weeks to build blood levels to see a increase from the tests..... but the d-bol you should have seen something.

**dirtdawg** · 07-23-2004, 05:21 PM

i think he is doing a 6 week cycle, but then again, i am not sure

**TheMudMan** · 07-23-2004, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by dirtdawg

i think he is doing a 6 week cycle, but then again, i am not sure

I hope not....... I wouldn't even run Prop for 6 weeks....... it be a waste.

**dirtdawg** · 07-23-2004, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

I hope not....... I wouldn't even run Prop for 6 weeks....... it be a waste.

i think he is on his third week, and he is going to run enth another 3 weeks

**TheMudMan** · 07-23-2004, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by dirtdawg

i think he is on his third week, and he is going to run enth another 3 weeks

I hope he comes back to this thread it's obvious there was no research done........ There's no way he will see any results from running his cycles this way.

**dirtdawg** · 07-23-2004, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

I hope he comes back to this thread it's obvious there was no research done........ There's no way he will see any results from running his cycles this way.

i know, he disappeared, i think he joined bigdog

but yeah, he is just fvcking himself up

**thejuiceisloose** · 07-23-2004, 05:35 PM

Oh man, I hope it's not his first cycle...To the looks of it, **** am I confused on that setup.

**parasite** · 07-23-2004, 05:40 PM

Sorry guys i haven't made things to clear, like i said i'm kinda new to all this. Does this help;
Week 1 june 1st to june 8th
1000mg sus
35mg d.bol
25mg novadex

week 2 june 8th to june 15th
1000mg sus
25mg novadex

week 3 june 15th t0 june22nd
1000mg test x
25mg novadex

week 4 june 22nd to june 29th
1000mg text x
25mg novadex

week 5 june 29th to 6th july
750mg test x
250mg text enanthate
25mg novadex

week 6 july 6th - july 13th
1000mg test enanthate
25mg novadex

week 7 july 13th - july 20th
1000mg test enanthate
25mg novadex

I got another 3 weeks left on 1000mg of test enanthate

**parasite** · 07-23-2004, 05:40 PM

Sorry guys i haven't made things to clear, like i said i'm kinda new to all this. Does this help;
Week 1 june 1st to june 8th
1000mg sus
35mg d.bol
25mg novadex

week 2 june 8th to june 15th
1000mg sus
25mg novadex

week 3 june 15th t0 june22nd
1000mg test x
25mg novadex

week 4 june 22nd to june 29th
1000mg text x
25mg novadex

week 5 june 29th to 6th july
750mg test x
250mg text enanthate
25mg novadex

week 6 july 6th - july 13th
1000mg test enanthate
25mg novadex

week 7 july 13th - july 20th
1000mg test enanthate
25mg novadex

I got another 3 weeks left on 1000mg of test enanthate

**parasite** · 07-23-2004, 05:41 PM

Sorry guys i haven't made things to clear, like i said i'm kinda new to all this. Does this help;
Week 1 june 1st to june 8th
1000mg sus
35mg d.bol
25mg novadex

week 2 june 8th to june 15th
1000mg sus
25mg novadex

week 3 june 15th t0 june22nd
1000mg test x
25mg novadex

week 4 june 22nd to june 29th
1000mg text x
25mg novadex

week 5 june 29th to 6th july
750mg test x
250mg text enanthate
25mg novadex

week 6 july 6th - july 13th
1000mg test enanthate
25mg novadex

week 7 july 13th - july 20th
1000mg test enanthate
25mg novadex

I got another 3 weeks left on 1000mg of test enanthate

**parasite** · 07-23-2004, 05:50 PM

sorry i posted that reply 3 times it was an accident. This is not my first course, its about my 10th and i've done a heavier course than this before

**bluethunder** · 07-23-2004, 06:39 PM

whats your age?

**parasite** · 07-23-2004, 07:12 PM

i was 22 about a month ago

**Angelis** · 07-23-2004, 07:18 PM

Stop switching ur test like they said and what the H*ll is Test X

**SportsMedVIP** · 07-23-2004, 07:20 PM

You only ran the d-bol one week? Why? That's why you didn't get much from that. Other than that though I'd say you've burned out your receptors running such high doses and are now stuck having to go higher and higher to get any good results. Maybe it's something else though. I'm just guessing.

**SportsMedVIP** · 07-23-2004, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Angelis

Stop switching ur test like they said and what the H*ll is Test X

Yes, what is Test X. Does that mean random test that you don't even know what is?

**Senior_FKG** · 07-23-2004, 07:24 PM

Like everyone else said...stop switching around your doses, and a gram of test is a whole lot of test, how are you not growing, what is this like your 10th cycle...lol...you should be a horse by now on a gram of test a week...but a reason could be that you are switiching around the types of test, remember different esters in the test correlate to different response times.

**Senior_FKG** · 07-23-2004, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by parasite

sorry i posted that reply 3 times it was an accident. This is not my first course, its about my 10th and i've done a heavier course than this before

WAITTT....HOLD UPPP...not to flame you or anything, but this is your 10th cycle...and you are only 205 lbs, and if i read correctly..you are 6'3"...bro, i am 6'4" 210, with basically your same stats, and i am half way into my first cycle,

is this right or did u type something wrong

**Angelis** · 07-23-2004, 07:28 PM

ECoastVIP your probably right if you overdose test it is usually turned into Estrogen so dont use so much your just working against urself

**SportsMedVIP** · 07-23-2004, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Angelis

ECoastVIP your probably right if you overdose test it is usually turned into Estrogen so dont use so much your just working against urself

Yeah, that's why you just take as much as is needed to get good results. I bet he started at 750mg's or higher. Oops, was that flameatorical. I'm sorry.

**Angelis** · 07-23-2004, 07:35 PM

you dont even need to keep going up that much as long as you space out your cycles and use different test... well thats my opinion but im just a beginer

**UrbanDawg** · 07-23-2004, 07:40 PM

you need CARBS in your PWO!!! you are showing nuttin but protien PWO.

If this really is your diet - no carbs PWO ... then you are def. being hindered.

this may be very little or very much of the cause but this IS a problem.

DB will be posting a great diet very soon. Keep an eye out for it.

Originally Posted by parasite

Hey guys, i'm not use to posting on this or any other forum so please, be patient.

I started a course on June 1 st of 1000mg of sus a week along with 35mg of d.bol plus 25mg of nonvadex a day. Come week 3 I changed to 750mg of Test X and 250mg of Test enanthate a week . I'm now on 1000mg of Test Enanthate a week for another 3 weeks. Through all this i've taken 25mg a day of novadex. I've done course's like this before and done really well but this time i just can't seem to grow, i've put on like 4 pounds and i've gotten WEAKER in the gym. The only thing i can put it down to is this course is a bit lighter than my last but not by much. My diet is like this;

Wake up; 30 minutes cardio on excersise bike
BREAKFAST
4 egg whites
5 whole egg bacon ommelet
Bowl of corn flakes
1 protein mix (45grames of protien)

2 and a half hours later
two turkey breast
3 potato waffles

2 and a half hours later
Protein mix

WORKOUT
post workout double protein mix (80 grames of protein)

2 hours after my last protein mix
2 turkey breast
4 egg whites

2 and a half hours later
protein mix

2 hours later
Meal Replacement (55 grames of protein)

I have about 3 liters of water a day, if i want a snack in between meals, i'll have a EAS protein bar

I always thought my diet was pretty good, i know there's a lot of protein mix's in there but its hard to fit meals in with work etc.

I'm 22 years old,
6'3'
205lbs
Arms; 17inchs warm, 16 and a half cold
Waist; 32-33
chest; 41-42

I just don't understand why i'm getting weaker.
Could you guys tell me what you think of my diet and my course.

Thanks

**almostgone** · 07-23-2004, 07:51 PM

UrbanD, do you use a 2:1 carb to protein ratio for the pwo; looking foward to the diet post....i guess DB will post it in the diet section?(imagine that)

**parasite** · 07-23-2004, 08:13 PM

I didn't jump into this cycle. My first cycle was just 20mg of d.bol a day for six weeks. I did a two courses of 250mg of sus and 2ml of Deca a week and about a year and a half ago i jumped to 1000mg of sus a week. sorry i was calling it test x, what i meant was testex/TESTOSTERONE PROPIONATE made by a company called leo. So what do you guys think i should do, cut back on the gear for the rest of the course? Cut out the cardio? Eat more carbs? Like i said, i've done a course like this before and things normally go great i just don't get why i'm weaker in the gym. I just wanted some advice

**Angelis** · 07-23-2004, 08:18 PM

I recomend that if this is trully your tenth cycle and you have been doing things proper on your other cycles cut it down to 750mg see how that works out for ya. Now if you area beginer to AAS I would recomend 400-500mg but that would too much of a step back from 1000mg Sustanon ...try 750mg

**almostgone** · 07-23-2004, 08:19 PM

I'm not much help yet, but it seems that a 2:1 carb/protein ratio pwo is supposed to help your body assimilate the protein..I'm still wading through the diet section info..good luck

**parasite** · 07-23-2004, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Angelis

I recomend that if this is trully your tenth cycle and you have been doing things proper on your other cycles cut it down to 750mg see how that works out for ya. Now if you area beginer to AAS I would recomend 400-500mg but that would too much of a step back from 1000mg Sustanon...try 750mg

Should go down to 750 now or do the next two weeks at 1000mg and just do 750mg for my next course

**Angelis** · 07-23-2004, 08:26 PM

Well if your at the end of ur cycle then I dont think it would change much except you could save some for next cycle either way I recomend u take 750 now.