07-31-2004, 06:37 PM #1
Would like knowledgable, open-minded opinions
Say a 17-18 year old really had their **** together. Training for 5-6 years, diet has been perfect (or at least good enough to make awesome gains) for the last 3-4 years, and they compete in (and love) bodybuilding/powerlifting (mainly powerlifting but w/ freaky physique goals. Never miss a training day (even squats and leg days) unless injured and have true dedication and knowledge. Started puberty in 4th grade so physiologically (and phsychologically due to experience) advanced for their age.
Would it be a safe time for them to start? Remember that they want to be the king of their sport, its their true passion in life. If it's gone, nothing else matters.
Maybe some of their competitors get an early edge from starting earlier in their lives..(Pro bodybuilding comes to mind but maybe nobody knows for SURE when the pros started. Markus Ruhl started at 19, correct?)
Last edited by jeremys; 07-31-2004 at 06:42 PM.
07-31-2004, 06:40 PM #2Junior Member
Originally Posted by jeremys
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I still say to young to do gear, but when i was 18 i didnt listen , thats why i am prolly 5'6 tall
07-31-2004, 06:41 PM #3
07-31-2004, 06:43 PM #4
OK, add in the fact that they are taller than both their parents by at least a couple inches and haven't grown in height in 5-6 years. And they are happy with their height (5'9).
07-31-2004, 06:45 PM #5
What does your diet and training regimine look like...and when is the last time youve noticed any noticible size gains?
07-31-2004, 06:47 PM #6
nobody in here is going to tell you what you want to hear and that is to do it.All they will do is give you advice probably try to convince you not to do it because you shouldn't but the bottom line is you are going to do whatever you want to do anyway. So research as much as possible and then decide if you are ready on your own.
07-31-2004, 06:49 PM #7
Good advice.....I still hate your back pose........J/K
07-31-2004, 06:50 PM #8
I would never advocate anyone using AAS before their time, BUT I can understand dedication to advancement in your competitive spirit. I just wish you the best and would have to say get educated as much as possible and you wouldnt be the first to juice at 18.
07-31-2004, 06:50 PM #9
It sounds like you want us to say "Yes, its okay." Every teenager who comes to these boards thinks they are the exception, that it would be okay for them to start early......
My question is why? What is the hurry? Bodybuilding is not an instant gratification endeavor, and surely you realize this having been doing it as long as you have. Have you hit a plateau? You made no mention of this in your first post. It sounds to me like you are impatient and immature, and that type of individual should not be using steroids at any age.
IMO: No, it would be best if you wait a few years.
07-31-2004, 06:53 PM #10Originally Posted by Big_Diesel
07-31-2004, 06:56 PM #11
No dude ,on the real ,your back looks good, not as good as those front delts though........
07-31-2004, 06:57 PM #12
training is (for the hypothetical person)
monday - raw bench (5 work sets) , 3 and 2 board press (sets of
3), decline/incline bar/DB bench, 2 tricep exercises
tuesday - squats (5+sets), (optional box squats, sets of 3), Good mornings (3-4 sets) hack
squats (4-5 sets), SLDL/hamstring machine curls (2
sets), calves - 5 sets
wednesday - BB rows (5 sets), T bar rows (5 sets)
pullups/pulldowns (5 sets), side delts (3 sets), face pulls (3 sets),
shrugs (100 reps w/ increasing weight or 4 sets 10
friday - max bench/shirted bench technique work (many sets), 5
and 4 board press (sets of 3..these board presses are
HEAVY), 4-5 sets of pushdowns or another tri exercise, 5
sets of barbell/EZ bar curls, 2 sets of hammer curls
Diet depends on goals. Let's say they are looking to get leaner yet stronger and bigger (and it's working)
wake up - 9 egg whites w/ 2 yolks, oatmeal
meal 2 - beef and veggies/metamucil
meal 3 - beef/chicken/tuna and veggies/metamucil
meal 4(preworkout) - oatmeal + whey or egg whites
meal 5(post workout) - MRP
meal 6 - beef/chicken/tuna and veggies/metamucil
meal 7 - Peanut butter and cottage cheese/milk
Last edited by jeremys; 07-31-2004 at 08:47 PM.
07-31-2004, 06:59 PM #13
At the risk of parroting -- you sound like your mind is made up but you asked for opinions so your getting another one.
You are too young and it is unlikely that you have no more growing to do. In fact i would say most people grow somewhat after high school.
As has also just been said - you are too impatient and are thinking like a kid who has to have it now. Waiting is part of exercising discipline.
Originally Posted by jeremys
07-31-2004, 07:00 PM #14
Keep it up, keep talking to all these knowledgable guys, keep readin then youll know when its time.
07-31-2004, 07:01 PM #15Originally Posted by UrbanLegend
No plateau has been hit and juicing would start ONLY when gains slowed down (who knows..that could take a couple years. Don't want to sell themselves short ya know?)
Getting sick of the natural (slim and flat) physique though.
Bodybuilding for recreation/health is just that. Competitive powerlifting with physique goals and looking forward to being the BEST and reaching their goals...is different.
07-31-2004, 07:02 PM #16
They would have absolutely NO problem at all waiting, if they weren't selling themself short by losing an edge on future competitors or their own potential. And who knows maybe they wouldn't be by waiting. Or they could be. That's mostly what I'm asking. You don't get another chance at life, gotta win the first/only time through.
Last edited by jeremys; 07-31-2004 at 07:09 PM.
08-01-2004, 07:59 AM #17
I can understand wnating to use and grow bigtime. I still think it's way to early. I would wait until at least 21 or so. Just make sure that you think about it bro. You'll do what you want. just make sure that you weigh all the risk to benefit ratios and make an educated decision. You stil have plenty of time man.
08-01-2004, 09:37 AM #18
Thanks for the opinion shorty2big, looking pretty big in your avatar. In the end, the person in question will make their own decision. I'm looking for the CORRECT info that wont let them themself short by either not being their absolute best in their prime by waiting too long, or by peaking too early in their life and/or getting health problems (besides the temporary high cholesterol/liver values, etc.
Last edited by jeremys; 08-02-2004 at 01:19 PM.
08-02-2004, 01:18 PM #19
08-02-2004, 01:24 PM #20Originally Posted by jeremys
08-02-2004, 01:26 PM #21
The whole problem with this situation is that anyone with a brain knows that their competition (at least some) have to be using. To that end they are losing an edge but at what price? Only you/they can answer that. So they lag a bit for a couple of years if it is indeed a real love of the sport they will stick around. But who knows for sure?
08-02-2004, 01:27 PM #22
I think everyone is on the same Accord. You should wait. You could bump this 1,000,000 times and still get the same answers.
08-02-2004, 02:26 PM #23Originally Posted by Diesel
08-02-2004, 02:32 PM #24
U should wait but i know alot of guys who are younger than u who use So u need to make a educated decision and go with it sounds like u will so test its the best!
08-02-2004, 02:34 PM #25Originally Posted by 1victor
I know an 18 y/o who is 6'1 or somewhere there, 300 lbs in the off season. He's going for his pro card (bodybuilding) already. He's got 27 inch arms in the offseason at about 10-12% and lats and legs to match. ~685 lb raw bench, ~1000 lb raw squat
He would be an example. Is starting relatively early in life like this helpful in becoming a pro. Maybe Arnold would be another example. Seems he started in his late teens, and now look where he is. He had one of the most fun, eventful lives I think a person could have. True happiness.
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