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08-01-2004, 01:05 PM #1
Info to help first timers get started
This is of use only to those who have not yet done a cycle but are considering and wish too begin research. It should help you get your foot in the door.
Anabolic steroids is the familiar name for synthetic substances related to the male sex hormones (androgens). They promote the growth of skeletal muscle (anabolic effects) and the development of male sexual characteristics (androgenic effects),
Testosterone is the centre block of ANY cycle, there are several different types of testosterone. Each one differs based upon its ester.
An ester is attached to the parent steroid hormone. Esterification of an injectable anabolic androgenic steroid basically accomplishes one thing, it slows the release of the parent steroid from the site of injection. Slowing the release of the parent steroid is a great benefit in steroid use , as free testosterone would remain active in the body for a very short period(generally hours). This would necessitate an unpleasant daily injection schedule if one wished to maintain a continuous elevation of testosterone. There are many different esters that are used with anabolic androgenic steroids, however, they all basically do the same thing. Estrogen related problems (gyno and water bloatedness) are related to the ester used, the quicker the release the more susceptible to these problems the user is. Therefore sustanon with a 3-4 week release causes relatively less problems than say testosterone suspension (2-3 day release); enanthate and cypionate take middleground with a 2 week release. Esters do not alter the activity of the parent steroid in any way other than to delay its release and anyone who attempts to suggest one esterified steroid is better than another is misleading, testosterone is testosterone.
Examples of esters:
Sustanon: If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate . You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection; but for a bodybuilder, who would inject 2 times a week, there is no such benefit and its high price makes it a no go area
Propionate: Propionate esters will slow the release of a steroid for several days. To keep blood levels from fluctuating greatly, propionate compounds are usually injected two to three times weekly.
Enanthate: Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in steroid manufacture. Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, you should inject at least weekly to help maintain a uniform blood level.
Cypionate: Cypionate is a very popular ester in the U.S. Its release duration is almost identical to enanthate, and the two are likewise thought to be interchangeable
Halflifes If a compound has for example a 2 day halflife then it would take 2 days for the ester to have been broken down. It is necessary to take this steroid every 2 days too sustain constant levels within the blood. When using test enanthate or cypionate(longer lasting esters) dianabol can be used simultaneously to kickstart the cycle as it has a quick halflife time.
Dianabol is an orally applicable steroid with a great effect on the protein metabolism. Dianabol promotes the protein synthesis, thus it supports the buildup of protein. Dianabol has a very strong anabolic and androgenic effect which manifests itself in an enormous buildup of strength and muscle mass in its users. Dianabol is simply a "mass steroid" which works quickly and reliably. A weight gain of 2 - 4 pounds per week in the first six weeks is normal. Since Dianabol's half-life time is only 3.2 - 4.5 hours application at least twice a day is necessary. It is recommended that the tablets be taken during meals so that possible gastrointestinal pains can be avoided. Since Dianabol quickly increases the users body weight due to high water retention, a high blood pressure and a faster heartbeat can occur. Dianabol strongly converts into estrogens and thus in some athletes causes gynecomastia (bitch tits); acne and hair loss are other possible side effects
Antiestrogen: a vital component of your cycle, antiestrogens combat the negative effects of increased estrogen levels in the body. The most common antiestrogen is nolvadex and is generally taken throughout the cycle
Post Cycle Therapy: During the use off testosterone the bodies own test production has been suppressed so once intake has been ceased it is necessary to raise your natural production. This is achieved through clomid therapy.
Clomid: stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone) occurs. In most cases Clomid can normalize the testosterone level and the spermatogenesis (sperm development) within 10- 14 days. For this reason Clomid is primarily taken after steroids are discontinued(exactly when clomid is taken is based upon the halflife of the steroids taken e.g. 2 weeks after test enanthate is discontinued or three weeks after sustanon). At this time it is extremely important to bring the testosterone production to a normal level as quickly as possible so that the loss of strength and muscle mass is minimized.
The First Cycle
Both 1st and 2nd cycles are comparatively basic. A suggested first cycle could be
Week 1-10 Test Enanthate 400mg/per week
Week 1-4 Dianabol 25mg/per day
Week 1-15 Nolvadex 20mg/per day
Week 13-15 Clomid Therapy
Clomid Therapy Doses
Day 1 300mg
Day 2-11 100mg
Day 12-21 50mg
The Second Cycle
It is possible and at this stage necessary to “stack” steroids, that is too consume simultaneously e.g. Test Cypionate and Deca Durabolin .. this is simply done for better results. More = BIGGER.
Deca-Durabolin causes the muscle cell to store more nitrogen than it releases so that a positive nitrogen balance is achieved. A positive nitrogen balance is synonymous with muscle growth since the muscle cell, in this phase, assimilates (accumulates) a larger amount of protein than usual. However a positive nitrogen balance and the protein building effect that accompany it will occur only if enough calories and proteins are supplied. The highly anabolic effect of Deca -Durabolin is linked to a moderately androgenic component, so that a good gain in muscle mass and strength is obtained. At the same time you may notice considerable water retention, although, it is not as distinct as that with injectable testosterones but which in high doses can also cause a smooth and watery appearance. Since Deca also stores more water in the connective tissues, it can temporarily case or even cure existing pain in joints.
There are many others that may be stacked including Equipose, Anavar or other esterified Testosterone. All of which should be researched independently.
So a second cycle could be:
Week 1-12 Test Enanthate 500mg/per week
Week 1-11 Deca Durabolin 300mg/per week
Week 1-4 Dianabol 35mg/per day
Week 1-17 Nolvadex 20mg/per day
Week 15-17 Clomid Therapy
Clomid Therapy Doses
Day 1 300mg
Day 2-11 100mg
Day 12-21 50mg
Notes: Deca is run 1 week less than test enanthate as its halflife is 3 weeks; enanthates is 2 weeks. Clomid Therapy is thus introduced appropriately with both.
Winstrol Depot may also be added toward the back end of the cycle too “tighten” up and help you get ripped. Obviously more research is necessary regarding side effects, dosages and cost.
In Conclusion:
Having never completed(or started) a cycle this is as far as my knowledge currently extends and further questions should be directed to moderators, however, feedback from those more experienced -to correct any mistakes or identify important issues omitted- would be obliged.
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08-01-2004, 01:06 PM #2
Good post bro
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08-01-2004, 01:09 PM #3
good basic info read
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08-01-2004, 01:16 PM #4
lots of good stuff in there man
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08-01-2004, 01:42 PM #5Banned
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Good read through!
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08-07-2004, 04:23 PM #6So a second cycle could be:
Week 1-12 Test Enanthate 500mg/per week
Week 1-11 Deca Durabolin 300mg/per week
Week 1-4 Dianabol 35mg/per day
Week 1-17 Nolvadex 20mg/per day
Week 15-17 Clomid Therapy
Clomid Therapy Doses
Day 1 300mg
Day 2-11 100mg
Day 12-21 50mg
Notes: Deca is run 1 week less than test enanthate as its halflife is 3 weeks; enanthates is 2 weeks. Clomid Therapy is thus introduced appropriately with both.
Winstrol Depot may also be added toward the back end of the cycle too “tighten” up and help you get ripped. Obviously more research is necessary regarding side effects, dosages and cost.
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08-07-2004, 07:08 PM #7Anabolic Member
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good post
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08-07-2004, 07:15 PM #8Originally Posted by brocklesner
Lets say a hormone has a half-life of 1 day.
Day 1: 50% (hence the term half-life) is gone from the body.
Day 2: 75% is gone.
Day 3: 87.5% is gone.
Day 4: 93.75% is gone.
Day 5: 100% gone.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.Last edited by Lozgod; 08-07-2004 at 08:42 PM.
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08-07-2004, 07:15 PM #9
Good post...now combine that with Doc holidays "steroids 101" post as well
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08-07-2004, 08:28 PM #10
Good read bro.
Running dbol at the start and winny to end could be hard on the liver..proper liver protection is a must.Last edited by bornbad71; 07-04-2005 at 11:28 AM.
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08-07-2004, 08:37 PM #11
lots of good info, nice post
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08-07-2004, 08:56 PM #12
nice post brock
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08-15-2004, 03:04 PM #13Originally Posted by Lozgod
This is indeed the process, however, you may be taking the tereminology too seriously. in practical terms this hormones halflife would be said too be however long it would have taken too be fully broken down
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08-15-2004, 03:41 PM #14
great post!
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08-15-2004, 03:44 PM #15
Good Stuff - Nice Breakdown on the different esters.
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08-15-2004, 03:49 PM #16
good read bro
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08-15-2004, 04:03 PM #17
[QUOTE=brocklesner]
Examples of esters:
Sustanon: If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate . You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection; but for a bodybuilder, who would inject 2 times a week, there is no such benefit and its high price makes it a no go area
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sustanon isn;t an ester but rather a blend of tests (usually prop, enanth, and cyp) many think it is a bad choice due to the fact you need to inject it ED or EOD in order to keep the prop ester steady. someone correct me if im wrong but as i have learned, like i said, it's a blend not an ester
just something to point out overal looked like a decent post bro.
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08-15-2004, 04:10 PM #18Originally Posted by brocklesner
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08-17-2004, 02:39 PM #19Junior Member
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Just got this from the dictinary.
pharmacology> The period over which the concentration of a specified chemical or drug takes to fall to half its original concentration in the specified fluid or blood.
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08-23-2004, 10:40 AM #20New Member
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Great info for a newbie. Thanks alot
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08-23-2004, 10:56 AM #21Anabolic Member
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[QUOTE=magicstick2003][QUOTE=brocklesner]
Examples of esters:
Sustanon: If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate . You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection; but for a bodybuilder, who would inject 2 times a week, there is no such benefit and its high price makes it a no go area
sustanon isn;t an ester but rather a blend of tests (usually prop, enanth, and cyp) many think it is a bad choice due to the fact you need to inject it ED or EOD in order to keep the prop ester steady. someone correct me if im wrong but as i have learned, like i said, it's a blend not an ester
just something to point out overal looked like a decent post bro.
Not enough test for you $$. You would get more test for your buck if you went with enth or cyp. Prop would be better, IMO.
What I am talking about is if you were to take off the weight of each ester in the sust blend, you would be left with much less the 250mg. Probably in the area of 175mg of total testosterone . Whereas with propinate the weight of the ester is fairly light. I believe it takes up only 17mg of a 100mg dose. This is the main reason I would never choose to use sust. I have come to enjoy a prop and enth combo! Or my phenylprop and enth combo if you want to shoot EOD. Just my .02.
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08-23-2004, 12:14 PM #22
NO FLAME BRO but can I ask if you wrote that or plagorized it??
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