strange gyno question..please help

**bigjayo** · 08-08-2004, 04:36 PM

Hey everybody,

I have a really simple question. Just completed 2 weeks of m1t 10mg a day as a frontload for a test cycle. I am fat already so its hard to see gyno on me, I'd say I already have puberty induced gyno(if you wanna call it that, I just have a fatty chest). Anyway, I got into the shower today and really hot water hit my chest and my nips hurt really bad. I know I might be jumping the gun but I was wondering if anyone else had experienced similiar? I cannot be sure its gyno, but I did 20mg nolvadex just to be on the safe side. As I said I have a fatty chest with naturally puppy nips(used to be 370lbs 2 years ago now 240lbs). Any help is appreciated, just wanted to make sure I wasn't overlooking something. My impression is that if its real GYNO my nips would be painful all the time (shirt on, shirt off, just an overall itchy feeling). I also did 200mg b6 just incase its gyno through another mechanism. Should be noted, since this is a frontload(2 weeks m1t, then week 3 test should be kicking in), I did NO PCT since test(an androgen) is already in my system, but I have a complete PCT for the end of the total cycle.

Thanks,

JayO

**KAEW44** · 08-08-2004, 04:40 PM

did you notice any symptoms during your M1T 2week cycle?

**kokosmash** · 08-08-2004, 04:43 PM

not true bud. i got the same problem, sometimes they hurt, sometimes they dont. my problem is close, in that i had bloodwork done a while ago, and the doctor found i have higher than normal test levels naturally, but when i was fat, it increased my estro conversion because fat cells naturally contain and produce a lot of the enzyme responsible for test/estro conversion. My suggestion would be to drop the juice, and spend the next 6 mos or so dropping as much fat as possible. I did and i've got much better control of my gyno now that im 'round 10% BF rather than 20%. IMO just run the nolva without juice, and throw in some Ephedrine and clen , that should aid in droppin the weight. you might gain some strength too.

**bigjayo** · 08-08-2004, 04:45 PM

No I didn't notice anything, the first 2 days at 5mg made me tired. But I am a really big guy(6'2 240lbs but fat). Moderate strength increases, no painful nips though. I turned the water down quickly and my nips were still arroused(like hard) I dunno. I just don't want to overlook this. like I said being fat, it might be hard for me to notice gyno, but I just got the impression pain all the time from nips and them being hard was a red flag big time. I did 200mg through the entire m1t time not b/c of it, but b/c I suffer from ganglion cysts and b6 numbs my hands and reduces cyst size dramatically. And I was just recently reading 200mg also can combat progestrone(spelling?) gyno.

**bigjayo** · 08-08-2004, 04:51 PM

Hey thanks for the reply koko, I really don't want to drop the juice. I plan on adding ephedra in light doses(EC stack) through the test cycle. The reason I say this is, formerly weighing 370lbs, and now 240lbs, I have sagging skin. My doctor said I could get the surgery, or just try to fill it out more with muscle. I'be been lifting really hard for 3 years and it seems to be working, I mean it is still there, but going from 16inch fatty arms to 19" arms really tightened the skin up. I already did my weight loss thing when I was 17 and dropped 120lbs+. No man in my family is below 240lbs, everybody is at least 240lbs and I'm probably the shortest. Enough rambling, I hope you understand what I am saying. More rapid weight loss only makes me look worse, I want to tighten this skin and get a decent fat/muscle ratio. By no means do I run around with my shirt off and think I look awesome. I've got fat, I've got muscle. I don't want more sagging skin with muscle loss, it was the most depressing time of my life. Let me know what you think.