How Toxic is Nolvadex

**Cuttup** · 08-09-2004, 01:28 PM

Guys,

I read an article this morning stateting that Nolvadex is somewhat toxic to the liver. It included the heart stress related issues and even blood clots in the lungs. Whats your opnion on this?

**Lozgod** · 08-09-2004, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Cuttup

Guys,

I read an article this morning stateting that Nolvadex is somewhat toxic to the liver. It included the heart stress related issues and even blood clots in the lungs. Whats your opnion on this?

From my research there is a very low occurence of blood clots, but it is a reality, and a dangerous one at that. I would recommend a maintenance dose of asprin while using Nolvadex . Along with Vitamin E, Ginko Biloba, and Garlic. These herbs are anti-coagulants.

**scotttiger54** · 08-09-2004, 01:31 PM

in a low percentage of people some clotting was seen with higher dosages. stick with 10mg/ed and you should be fine. and if the 10mg of nolva isn't enough then there's always l'dex

**biglouie250** · 08-09-2004, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Lozgod

From my research there is a very low occurence of blood clots, but it is a reality, and a dangerous one at that. I would recommend a maintenance dose of asprin while using Nolvadex. Along with Vitamin E, Ginko Biloba, and Garlic. These herbs are anti-coagulants.

maintenance dose of aspirin how much per day?

**Lozgod** · 08-09-2004, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by biglouie250

maintenance dose of aspirin how much per day?

Low. A baby asprin would be sufficient. 1 pill ED.

**Cuttup** · 08-09-2004, 01:40 PM

Thank you guys

**Kevan** · 08-09-2004, 03:24 PM

When I was talking to my Dr, he was very concerned about me taking tamoxifen or Nolvadex as he said he has had a few women patients with blood clots, might not be as un-common as you suspect. He strongly suggested i stick with Proviron .
Hope that helps

**usualsuspect** · 08-09-2004, 04:12 PM

Where is the article

**bluethunder** · 08-09-2004, 06:33 PM

I believe 82mg asprin is theraputic dose

**smalldogbigdogbrain** · 08-09-2004, 10:10 PM

well this post scares the crap out of me. I am on 20mg of nolva a day during pct. And i have been having some major headachs while benching and afterwards today.. I hope to hell its not blood cloting, that sounds way serious. I am thinking it is just a sinus infection that worsens when my bp is up and im straining. I have loward my weight while benching and the it seems to be a less of a problem. Could this be anything serious?

**capone_22** · 08-11-2004, 10:26 AM

bump! i used nolva along with my pct at about 40mg/per day sometimes

**Cuttup** · 08-11-2004, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Kevan

When I was talking to my Dr, he was very concerned about me taking tamoxifen or Nolvadex as he said he has had a few women patients with blood clots, might not be as un-common as you suspect. He strongly suggested i stick with Proviron .
Hope that helps

I'll consider that Kevan, The problem is I just bought 100 10 mg tabs. Im gonna stick with 10mg ed and see how things turn out. Oh, by the way, did you come right out and tell your Doc you are juicing?

**stitch1967** · 08-11-2004, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Kevan

When I was talking to my Dr, he was very concerned about me taking tamoxifen or Nolvadex as he said he has had a few women patients with blood clots, might not be as un-common as you suspect. He strongly suggested i stick with Proviron .
Hope that helps

Are you going to use Proviron with Clomid during PCT, like you would Nolva?

**Jantzen4k** · 08-11-2004, 11:18 AM

has anyone here experienced a blood clot due to nolva?

**Lozgod** · 08-11-2004, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by smalldogbigdogbrain

well this post scares the crap out of me. I am on 20mg of nolva a day during pct. And i have been having some major headachs while benching and afterwards today.. I hope to hell its not blood cloting, that sounds way serious. I am thinking it is just a sinus infection that worsens when my bp is up and im straining. I have loward my weight while benching and the it seems to be a less of a problem. Could this be anything serious?

If you had a blood clot in your brain, you wouldn't have a headache, you would have a stroke.

**stitch1967** · 08-11-2004, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lozgod

If you had a blood clot in your brain, you wouldn't have a headache, you would have a stroke.

Good point

**stitch1967** · 08-11-2004, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Jantzen4k

has anyone here experienced a blood clot due to nolva?

No but this is the first news I've heard of this bloodclot sheit with Nolva and I've taking 10-20mg/day (up to 80mg for about a wk because of sensitive nipples) for 7 wks....and truthfully this is kinda freakin me out.

**seesamplay** · 10-12-2004, 08:07 AM

I saw something on the news last night about tamoxifen (Nolvadex) causing an increase in strokes among women taking the drug. Yes, I know that most of us are not women, but most of us do not have breast cancer either. The news story did not mention an increase in men, because the drug isn't really intended for men.

I Googled this morning when I got to work. From the article:

"The risk of ischemic stroke increased by 82 percent and risk of all strokes by 29 percent in women randomized to tamoxifen versus placebo or other therapies."

http://athens-olympics-2004.newkerala.com/?action=fullnews&id=36131

There are many more articles out there. Google tamoxifen stroke.

Sam

**white legend** · 10-12-2004, 08:17 AM

i cant find proviron anywhere and it ****in pisses me off!!! my source doen't even have that ****! pm me to help a brother out.

**Britguy** · 10-12-2004, 08:18 AM

Usualsuspect do you always dismiss info that could be extremely important to all of us? i doubt cuttup is lying about reading the report he asks about - maybe give him some more time and he can get it posted on here, have some patience

**AustrianOAK14** · 10-12-2004, 08:29 AM

nolvadex is not liver toxic at all bro

**seanw** · 10-12-2004, 09:13 AM

Guys my mother has been on 20mg of Nolvadex for the last ten years and she still smokes heaps. She is still with us !! Has anyone here, with all the guys that are doing this, ever heard of any of the bro's having a stoke ? I think not., Obviously its a risk but IMO a very small one

**thejuiceisloose** · 10-12-2004, 09:31 AM

My last cycle I took 20mg Nolva ED including PCT, nothing bad happened. Im currently on another cycle 20mg of Nolva, .25mg l-dex. So far so good. But this article kinda scared me a bit so I think Ill be taking some aspirin ED

**IronAdam** · 10-12-2004, 10:41 AM

BUMP...this has me worried now too. I'm on 20mg/day right now

**MrMent1on** · 10-12-2004, 10:51 AM

Yes Nolvadex is liver toxic and so is Arimidex . All courtesy of my book Chemical Muscle Enhancement by ALR. if you guys want to know everything this guy knows then pick up this book. sound like a commerical

**Tadpole** · 10-12-2004, 12:38 PM

Remember that steroids also thins your blood I agree with seanw never heard of a stroke or PE in this board. For those of you that are really concerned and have some risk factors (Family history of stroke or PE under the age or 60, Smoke, HTN or ON THE PILL) I would go ahead and take one (80mg) baby aspirin ed.

**Cuttup** · 10-13-2004, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Britguy

Usualsuspect do you always dismiss info that could be extremely important to all of us? i doubt cuttup is lying about reading the report he asks about - maybe give him some more time and he can get it posted on here, have some patience

thanks,..seesamplay posted a decent attch with some info. usualsupect can check it out online. there sare a good amout of websites that state this

**fitnessNY** · 10-13-2004, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Lozgod

From my research there is a very low occurence of blood clots, but it is a reality, and a dangerous one at that. I would recommend a maintenance dose of asprin while using Nolvadex. Along with Vitamin E, Ginko Biloba, and Garlic. These herbs are anti-coagulants.

From what I understand deca is an anti coagulant. I heard test is as well but I am not sure.

**biofx** · 10-13-2004, 03:56 PM

What would happen/or symptoms if you got a blood clot in the lung? Have trouble breathing? I read this is a semi-common thing w/ nolva.

**toolman** · 10-13-2004, 04:51 PM

[QUOTE=Tadpole]Remember that steroids also thins your blood QUOTE]

Actually, thats not true with most. Many of them increase your RBC which results in the vascularity we all seek. I have heard this before about nolva, but any of the gear we are using that increases our RBC count and harms our lipid profile, which is most of them, can result in a stroke. The chances are slim unless you have other risk factors.

**Cuttup** · 10-15-2004, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by biofx

What would happen/or symptoms if you got a blood clot in the lung? Have trouble breathing? I read this is a semi-common thing w/ nolva.

spymtoms are online,..plenty of websites

**Bwen** · 12-26-2009, 03:49 PM

I am 5 days on my pct with nolva.. 40 mg/day. started staggering around the house and eventually passed out. Ambulance took me in and they said I had a mini stroke. The doctor said nolva causes high chance for stroke and told me to stop right away. Now I am scrambling to find another way to do pct.

**Swifto** · 12-27-2009, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bwen

I am 5 days on my pct with nolva.. 40 mg/day. started staggering around the house and eventually passed out. Ambulance took me in and they said I had a mini stroke. The doctor said nolva causes high chance for stroke and told me to stop right away. Now I am scrambling to find another way to do pct.

This thread is dated 2004.

I've never heard of Tamoxifen increasing the chances of those side effects.

Tamox can push liver values up (it did me). Tamox is geno-toxic, cancrinogenic and its occular toxic, but has been approved for treatment by many countries in treating various forums of cancer...