Thread: Effects from long cycle
08-10-2004, 09:12 AM #1
Effects from long cycle
Can anyone explain the effects of what a 20 wk cycle of eq and test would cause to a person for a second cycle? is this a biased response in being to long or are there legitimate reasons why this would harm a second timer
08-10-2004, 09:27 AM #2Originally Posted by Oakley
the longer you are on, the harder it is to get your nat levels back....also, the more strain aas puts on your heart, kidneys, liver, etc is not good
imo running a 16 week test/eq cycle not that bad for a second
08-10-2004, 09:29 AM #3
08-10-2004, 09:41 AM #4
A friend of mine does low dose, long cycles for about 75% of the year. Just keep an eye out for problems like Blood Pressure, and stuff like that and you should be ok as long as your not doing a ton of gear.
08-10-2004, 09:46 AM #5
I agree with Asym... My first cycle I did 16 weeks, 2nd was around 18 and now my 3rd is going to be over 20 weeks. I have never had any issues coming off, but everyone is different. Like Asym said, the longer your on, obviously, the harder it is to come off, and staying on isn't the healthiest thing in the world long term
08-10-2004, 09:53 AM #6
Thought so but wasnt sure. I was more concerned about my junk getting smaller than it did while on my first cycle. That **** rumor about your **** shrinks scared me but it isnt that bad and I go for hours on ****. My gf was nervous when i started but loved it when i was on it. I just wanted to make sure that they dont skrink so much i wont get them back if thats even possible since i will have to run test for 21 wks eod.
08-10-2004, 09:53 AM #7
08-10-2004, 10:29 AM #8
08-10-2004, 10:59 AM #9
If you switch to SUS then both the EQ and SUS would run out the same time for PCT....... But that's not a big deal plus SUS needs to be injected EOD where Enan E3D
1 - 18 Enan 500mg
1 - 17 EQ 500mg
1 - 20 Nolva 10mg ED
1 - 20 L-dex .25mg ED
4 - 19 HCG 500iu 2x per week
Start PCT 2 weeks from last Enan injection
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 2 - 30 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
Day 31 - 37 20mg Nolva / .25mg L-dex
08-10-2004, 11:09 AM #10
08-10-2004, 12:52 PM #11
Well what are the benifits going to enath rather than Sust250? Just days taken? and if so i want to take shots everyday if i could. im serious im addicted to needles now.
08-10-2004, 01:10 PM #12
I am a fan of longer cycles, Not that long. But I do see the benifit of cycling longer. I dont even see good size or strength increases untill 8-10 weeks into a cycle. If you do decide to cycle for 1/2 a year. Make sure you talk to someone like Da Bull or one of the other guys on here that does it. You can shut your HTPA for a long time cycling that long.
08-10-2004, 05:14 PM #13
08-10-2004, 05:29 PM #14Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
Ok so your one of those "sust sucks people" making mental note to self. Go ahead and tell me why you think that. after my first cycle im very pleased with it giving i havent tried other tests but then again i did get what I wanted out of it. I dont want opinions on this cycle cause opinions are like assholes everyone has one. Give me facts why enth is better than sust
08-10-2004, 05:42 PM #15Originally Posted by Oakley
08-10-2004, 06:56 PM #16Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
I just lost all respect for you now. i wasnt being a dick i was talking about your the typical guy who gives an oppinion about gear and never states why. Im starting to think you dont even know. look at previous posts? i have many times and thats part of the reason by me asking why you feel it sux. what iritates me is im asking for technical info and your posting the biased remarks acting as if you just supplied me with the greatest info. now im being a dick
08-10-2004, 07:00 PM #17
The prop in the sust will "spike" for leack of a better word your test levels so you will always be on a rollercoaster between shots.
08-10-2004, 07:02 PM #18Originally Posted by Oakley
sust as I see it is not very valuable... the long esters can get away with being used E3D or longer. while the prop needs to be used ED. So to keep your levels stable for prop it needs to be injected ED. But why do that when you can get good levels with the enanthate at E3D... So the enanthate is being used "to much" if the sust is used ED. While if you do sust twice a week then your prop levels fall off.... so my point was to get stable blood levels. Pick one ester and stay with it, it is just easier. Unless your using it to ease into PCT thats another point.
08-10-2004, 07:05 PM #19Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
Thank you respect for you gained back! i just hate people on here never giving reasoning
08-10-2004, 07:05 PM #20
Test is Test............ no matter how you look at it...... SUS is a blend of 4 types of test with short and long acting esters...... this is why it needs to be injected at least EOD if not blood levels will become unstable and you will end up with more sides and gains will suffer............. Noe Enan, Cyp, are single long acting estered and are a lot easier to keep blood levels stable with injection E3D.
A lot of guys will state that SUS sucks if they didn't injected the way it is supposed to be EOD....... They may have seen bad sides, little gains, and some complain about the pain of the injection.
There's no need for you telling members how you lost respect for them or writing in the tone you are....... We are ALL here to help one another this is what makes this a good board. If you have anymore q's type away.
08-10-2004, 07:13 PM #21Originally Posted by TheMudMan
08-10-2004, 07:17 PM #22
Well you have the info you need in this thread to make a choice......... But I have to ask... what are your goals for the cycle..... Lean mass or bulk? If it's for leaner gains then use Prop throughout the cycle....... Prop retains minimal bloat to produce leaner gains plus you get to inject it ED
If it's to bulk either the SUS or Enan will do.
08-10-2004, 07:23 PM #23Originally Posted by TheMudMan
08-10-2004, 07:25 PM #24Originally Posted by Oakley
FWIW IF you want to use sust inject it E3D and the days you dont use sust. use 50mg of prop..... this is a good way to get your levals in check. But like I said before pick on ester and stay with it. Becuase if you do use prop with sust why not increase it to 100 ED
08-10-2004, 07:27 PM #25Originally Posted by Oakley
08-10-2004, 07:38 PM #26Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
08-10-2004, 07:42 PM #27
You could even use the fast acting EQ with the prop...
08-10-2004, 07:43 PM #28Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
oh def if i do a lean then im for sure using eq
08-10-2004, 08:02 PM #29Originally Posted by Oakley
Test E keeps blood levels steady and sust ( due to different esters ) has to be shot more often and your blood levels fluctuate - I will never use the stuff myself. I due Tren and Test Prop cycles if I want to shoot every day
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