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    Question need help with first cycle



    my stats are
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    max bench is 295
    age is 24

    my goals are to bulk up up safely can anybody suggest anything to me also my plans were to take
    deca qv300 1-8
    sustanon 250 1-10
    also nalv 20 mg. ed
    and for pct. clomid maybe...

    if anybody disagrees with this and has a better suggestion hit me up thanks
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    you may need some more research man. That deca with only 250mg test is going to make you limp as can be. Splil the sust eod to go 500mg test if you can. First cycle you may just want to skip the deca and do test only. If you decide to keep the deca for more overall gains then make sure you run more than 250 sust. Thats not enough. Also, "clomid maybe" is a no-no. Run the clomid indefinitely

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    Read some more, and aquire a little more knowledge...
    Within a month you will realize that this cycle sucks, and you will be glad you didnt do it. You can lean for your mistakes if you like, but trust me, its better to lean from others mistakes. Keep researching, ask the right questions and in no time you'll have enough knowledge to set up a nice first cycle. Good luck Bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnystick77
    Run the clomid indefinitely
    That's a funny typo. Run Clomid FOREVER!

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    Forever, and with levitra if you run more deca than test.

    Run the clomid definitely.

    Sorry about the typo i thought i was in the retarted forum.

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    I suggest looking in to Test Enanthate or Cypionate . That will be much easier for you to run for a first cycle. Run 400-500mg of test a week and like was said before I'd suggest not touching the deca yet. Just because it causes it's own form of gyno and if you don't know if your prone to test gyno and you get gyno while running both then who knows which caused it. They each have their own treatments so that's a problem and I suggest finding out if your gyno prone from test alone first. Run Nolva @ 10mg ED through the cycle, 20mg ED through PCT. And Definitely run Clomid for PCT. Not forever though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnystick77
    Sorry about the typo i thought i was in the retarted forum.
    Now I just feel like I'm picking on you but this cracked me up more than the indefinite Clomid.

    If we had a retarded forum I would suggest we spell it that way.


















    Sorry.

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    oh man, no more herb for me. evidence of brain damage right here.

    LMFAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnystick77
    oh man, no more herb for me. evidence of brain damage right here.

    LMFAO
    Sure sure, blame the weed. Weed ain't done no harm. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnystick77
    you may need some more research man. That deca with only 250mg test is going to make you limp as can be. Splil the sust eod to go 500mg test if you can. First cycle you may just want to skip the deca and do test only. If you decide to keep the deca for more overall gains then make sure you run more than 250 sust. Thats not enough. Also, "clomid maybe" is a no-no. Run the clomid indefinitely

    thanks for the suggestions, what did you take on your fist cycle if you dont mind me asking... i havent yet ordered my gear from my source...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECoastVIP
    I suggest looking in to Test Enanthate or Cypionate. That will be much easier for you to run for a first cycle. Run 400-500mg of test a week and like was said before I'd suggest not touching the deca yet. Just because it causes it's own form of gyno and if you don't know if your prone to test gyno and you get gyno while running both then who knows which caused it. They each have their own treatments so that's a problem and I suggest finding out if your gyno prone from test alone first. Run Nolva @ 10mg ED through the cycle, 20mg ED through PCT. And Definitely run Clomid for PCT. Not forever though.

    thanks for the suggestions maybe i will just do that maybe a test cyionate with some equipose. but i will do more homework...

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    I was one of the fools that ran d-bol by itself when i was a youngin'. Stick with a slow acting Test ester like cypionate or enanthate , and fyi my second cycle was Anadrol 50mg/day, Test cyp 500mg, Deca 300mg ran with Proviron , Nolva and Clomid. I skipped out on the hcg

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    Quote Originally Posted by detroit
    Read some more, and aquire a little more knowledge...
    Within a month you will realize that this cycle sucks, and you will be glad you didnt do it. You can lean for your mistakes if you like, but trust me, its better to lean from others mistakes. Keep researching, ask the right questions and in no time you'll have enough knowledge to set up a nice first cycle. Good luck Bro.

    thanks i will...

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    I've never ran Deca , but I've seen enough first cycles that had both and turned out good to think it can be done safely. I would suggest running a single ester test, I love Enanthate . If you take proper anti-e's this is supposed to be a very safe cycle. Here's you go, handed to you on a silver platter:

    Week 1-12 Test E @ 400-500mg wk
    Week 1-10 Deca @ 300mg wk
    Week 1-13 Nolva @ 10mg ed
    Week 1-16 Vitamin B6 @ 200mg ed
    Week 14-16 Nolva @ 20mg ed
    Week 14-16 Clomid @ 100mg ed

    I'd stop the Deca at week 10 to help with a faster recovery. PM me if you have any more questions bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseL atC
    I've never ran Deca , but I've seen enough first cycles that had both and turned out good to think it can be done safely. I would suggest running a single ester test, I love Enanthate . If you take proper anti-e's this is supposed to be a very safe cycle. Here's you go, handed to you on a silver platter:

    Week 1-12 Test E @ 400-500mg wk
    Week 1-10 Deca @ 300mg wk
    Week 1-13 Nolva @ 10mg ed
    Week 1-16 Vitamin B6 @ 200mg ed
    Week 14-16 Nolva @ 20mg ed
    Week 14-16 Clomid @ 100mg ed

    I'd stop the Deca at week 10 to help with a faster recovery. PM me if you have any more questions bro.
    That would be a good way to run it if you are adament on using deca. If you can go with Test E and EQ though I would suggest that. That's a better way to go in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECoastVIP
    That would be a good way to run it if you are adament on using deca. If you can go with Test E and EQ though I would suggest that. That's a better way to go in my opinion.
    You know, I wasn't even thinking about that. I agree completely, I'd run EQ instead of the Deca . It's less harsh on your HTPA, with pretty similar results supposedly. This would probably be a better choice..

    Week 1-12 Test E @ 400-500mg wk
    Week 1-10 EQ @ 400mg wk
    Week 1-13 Nolva @ 10mg ed
    Week 1-16 Vitamin B6 @ 200mg ed
    Week 14-16 Nolva @ 20mg ed
    Week 14-16 Clomid @ 100mg ed

    If you really want to run Deca though, go with my previous recommendation.

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    Just to lay it out the same.

    Test Enanthate 500mg EW shot Mon and Thu weeks 1-14
    EQ 400mg EW shot Mon and Thu weeks 1-12

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    Quote Originally Posted by dieseL atC
    You know, I wasn't even thinking about that. I agree completely, I'd run EQ instead of the Deca . It's less harsh on your HTPA, with pretty similar results supposedly. This would probably be a better choice..

    Week 1-12 Test E @ 400-500mg wk
    Week 1-10 EQ @ 400mg wk
    Week 1-13 Nolva @ 10mg ed
    Week 1-16 Vitamin B6 @ 200mg ed
    Week 14-16 Nolva @ 20mg ed
    Week 14-16 Clomid @ 100mg ed

    If you really want to run Deca though, go with my previous recommendation.
    You beat me to it. Again, that's a good lay out but I would say you can lose the B-6 for deca gyno if you go with EQ. Of course B-6 never hurts either so that's not a necessity. I also run my CLomid differently but I don't have any problems at high doses of Clomid. I run it 300mg days 1-2, 200mg days 3-7, 100mg's days 8-14, 50mg's days 15-21. But that's just me.

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    A good first cycle would be test e @ 250mg e4d for 10-12 weeks.....10mg nolva ed...then proper pct 2 wks after last inject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bornbad71
    A good first cycle would be test e @ 250mg e4d for 10-12 weeks.....10mg nolva ed...then proper pct 2 wks after last inject.
    I don't believe in that.. I think if you take proper precautions you can run 2 compounds on a first cycle. I wouldn't go more then 2.. but Test MUST be the base..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnystick77
    . That deca with only 250mg test is going to make you limp as can be.
    Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You could be taking a gram of deca and 250mg of test and get your **** up, thats retarded saying that man, If you have 250mg of freefloating test, how are you going to say it will destroy his drive. Deca only shuts down you HPTA not your sythesized test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadisafunnyword
    Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You could be taking a gram of deca and 250mg of test and get your **** up, thats retarded saying that man, If you have 250mg of freefloating test, how are you going to say it will destroy his drive. Deca only shuts down you HPTA not your sythesized test.
    I dont think hes all that wrong. 250 sus/week doesnt do much for me. depends on the person. doesnt mean hes wrong.

    For a first cycle go with just test/500 week should be more then enough. I grew like a fukin roach on 100mg/week on my first cycle. Went up 36 lbs in 10 weeks while eating like a maniac. Or u could throw a little Eq in there. I personally dont like Deca ...

    Good luck........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnystick77
    you may need some more research man. That deca with only 250mg test is going to make you limp as can be. Splil the sust eod to go 500mg test if you can. First cycle you may just want to skip the deca and do test only. If you decide to keep the deca for more overall gains then make sure you run more than 250 sust. Thats not enough. Also, "clomid maybe" is a no-no. Run the clomid indefinitely
    these are the only types of test i can get what do you think
    supertest 250 tornel sustanon 10ml
    test 400 dk 10ml
    teston qv 200 cypionate 10ml
    testosterona 4l/a 250mg 10ml
    testosterona bv 100 10ml
    testosterona bv 200 10ml
    testosterona bv 50 20ml
    testosterone 200 depot tornel

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    Quote Originally Posted by detroit
    Read some more, and aquire a little more knowledge...
    Within a month you will realize that this cycle sucks, and you will be glad you didnt do it. You can lean for your mistakes if you like, but trust me, its better to lean from others mistakes. Keep researching, ask the right questions and in no time you'll have enough knowledge to set up a nice first cycle. Good luck Bro.
    these are the only types of test i can get what do you think?...
    supertest 250 tornel sustanon 10ml 90
    test 400 dk 10ml 125
    teston qv 200 cypionate 10ml 80
    testosterona 4l/a 250mg 10ml 110
    testosterona bv 100 10ml 50
    testosterona bv 200 10ml 70
    testosterona bv 50 20ml 50
    testosterone 200 depot tornel

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