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    Well it's about that time to start hit'n it hard again. I'll be starting a new cycle in mid Sept. Duration is unknown so below you'll just find drugs and doses

    400mg Enan E3D
    125mg Tren ED
    300mg Deca E3D

    I'll be going 15wks before my first cruise of 250mg Enan E5D, every cruise thereafter will occur every 12wks

    500ius HCG - Every Mon/Tues(up to PCT)
    (.5mg L-dex + 10mg Nolva) EOD
    200mg B6 ED
    20mg Accutane ED
    12.5mcg T3 ED
    2mg Finasteride ED
    20mg policosinal ED


    A couple of experiments on this one so my blood work is going back to E3W. In addition to the accutane, I'm starting the nolva dose at 5mg a day and will phase it out cmpletely at an unknown point to gauge whether the poli can sustain a healthy lipid profile.
    I also told myself I wasn't going to run deca again but given my recent elbow injuries, I thought it be good to add a bit for joints. While pondering the deca administration I figured what the hell, might as well use enough for a set duration to provide benefits to anabolism. I'll only be running the above deca dose for 15wks, then it will be backed down to 150mg E6D.

    I'm expecting this cycle to last untill next July, then I'll comprise a cycle and diet to aid in comp. prep(with the help of a couple experienced fellows)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    Well it's about that time to start hit'n it hard again. I'll be starting a new cycle in mid Sept. Duration is unknown so below you'll just find drugs and doses

    400mg Enan E3D
    125mg Tren ED
    300mg Deca E3D

    I'll be going 15wks before my first cruise of 250mg Enan E5D, every cruise thereafter will occur every 12wks

    500ius HCG - Every Mon/Tues(up to PCT)
    (.5mg L-dex + 10mg Nolva) EOD
    200mg B6 ED
    20mg Accutane ED
    12.5mcg T3 ED
    2mg Finasteride ED
    20mg policosinal ED


    A couple of experiments on this one so my blood work is going back to E3W. In addition to the accutane, I'm starting the nolva dose at 5mg a day and will phase it out cmpletely at an unknown point to gauge whether the poli can sustain a healthy lipid profile.
    I also told myself I wasn't going to run deca again but given my recent elbow injuries, I thought it be good to add a bit for joints. While pondering the deca administration I figured what the hell, might as well use enough for a set duration to provide benefits to anabolism. I'll only be running the above deca dose for 15wks, then it will be backed down to 150mg E6D.

    I'm expecting this cycle to last untill next July, then I'll comprise a cycle and diet to aid in comp. prep(with the help of a couple experienced fellows)
    do u think with that much deca and tren combines 200mg b6/ed is gonna be enough to help with the progesterone. also is your test levels high enough to combat all the prolactin that is gonna be produced from the tren/deca?

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    125mg of tren sheesh I couldnt handle the sides... and its nice to see you up that test bro!! a gram a week is fun
    Also are you ever going to use IGF or slin? just wondering what you thought about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by w_rballs
    do u think with that much deca and tren combines 200mg b6/ed is gonna be enough to help with the progesterone. also is your test levels high enough to combat all the prolactin that is gonna be produced from the tren/deca?

    I dont want to answer for him... but if I remember correctly he did tren at 100mg ED and test E 250 E3D and he said he had no problems at all with it.

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    wballs this almost looks familliar doesnt it I didnt realize you could run accutane like that. 900mg of deca should deffinately get it done, cool looking cycle bro. When I go to cruise mode I am going to run 50mg of proviron to help with upregulating the androgen recptors. Oh and what is this 20mg policosinal ED?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpt steele
    wballs this almost looks familliar doesnt it I didnt realize you could run accutane like that. 900mg of deca should deffinately get it done, cool looking cycle bro. When I go to cruise mode I am going to run 50mg of proviron to help with upregulating the androgen recptors. Oh and what is this 20mg policosinal ED?
    It helps regulate cholesterol...... it does it by keeping cholesterol from forming in the liver.......... or something along those lines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpt steele
    wballs this almost looks familliar doesnt it I didnt realize you could run accutane like that. 900mg of deca should deffinately get it done, cool looking cycle bro. When I go to cruise mode I am going to run 50mg of proviron to help with upregulating the androgen recptors. Oh and what is this 20mg policosinal ED?

    just a little steele. i swear ive seen it somewhere before



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    Running full out Tren and Deca isn't so bad afterall?

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    does increasing the finasteride to 2mg increase the DHT blocking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by w_rballs
    do u think with that much deca and tren combines 200mg b6/ed is gonna be enough to help with the progesterone. also is your test levels high enough to combat all the prolactin that is gonna be produced from the tren/deca?

    If the b6 needs to be raised to 300mg then I'll do so, but I've ran tren above test almost everytime without problems

    As for progesterone, its not really a concern once steady state is reached
    The PR has two isoforms; the A and B. PR-B mediates stimulatory effects of progestins; the PR-A which is bound with progestins or anti-progestins inhibits PR-B, and PR-A is dominant. The response to progesterone is determined by the relative expression of the two isoforms.

    Now, their is a direct relationship between the PR isoforms and steroid concentrations. The direct relationship suggests high progesterone concentrations, but this will induce the expression of PR-A, which represses transcription of PR-B, which in turn supresses PR function and progestin effect
    With initial administration, I could see an expression of PR-B but a rapid rise in PR-A will ultimately supress the function of the PR. I would suggest that you'd need a high ratio of the two before concerns, and this is a bit more of a possiblity with the begining of administration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpt steele
    Oh and what is this 20mg policosinal ED?

    http://substance.altmedangel.com/statnalt.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    If the b6 needs to be raised to 300mg then I'll do so, but I've ran tren above test almost everytime without problems

    As for progesterone, its not really a concern once steady state is reached
    The PR has two isoforms; the A and B. PR-B mediates stimulatory effects of progestins; the PR-A which is bound with progestins or anti-progestins inhibits PR-B, and PR-A is dominant. The response to progesterone is determined by the relative expression of the two isoforms.

    Now, their is a direct relationship between the PR isoforms and steroid concentrations. The direct relationship suggests high progesterone concentrations, but this will induce the expression of PR-A, which represses transcription of PR-B, which in turn supresses PR function and progestin effect
    With initial administration, I could see an expression of PR-B but a rapid rise in PR-A will ultimately supress the function of the PR. I would suggest that you'd need a high ratio of the two before concerns, and this is a bit more of a possiblity with the begining of administration.

    i see. im real sensitive to prolactin and progesterone so that is why i asked. but hey u know what works so keep it up

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    Pheed what about IGF or slin any views on using those compounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    500ius HCG - Every Mon/Tues(up to PCT)
    (.5mg L-dex + 10mg Nolva) EOD
    200mg B6 ED
    20mg Accutane ED
    12.5mcg T3 ED
    2mg Finasteride ED
    20mg policosinal ED

    How does one get ahold of the policosinal? Is it legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
    Pheed what about IGF or slin any views on using those compounds?
    Babysteps bro. I'll be utilizing GH when I get into my 30s and insulin is a possibility at some time. I've thought about using it in my cruising periods

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    True but what about IGF same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
    True but what about IGF same thing?
    Same goes as with GH. At 24, I don't see a need

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    Same goes as with GH. At 24, I don't see a need
    Wow, i had thought you were in your late 20s! Props to you
    Best of luck with this go around!

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    Quote Originally Posted by limppimp85204
    How does one get ahold of the policosinal? Is it legal?
    bump for this...

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    good stuff pheed...ill be starting a very similar one at a similar time

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    I'm still interested in how hes pulling off Tren and Deca at a moderate dose of 600mg /week. Its a great combo in theory, I mean the insane strength of tren with the tendon strengthening and joint lubing of deca, its the shut down that ruins it (so I hear). Is there some way around this? Please share

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    Do you plan on taking the accutane preemptively or just have some on hand as a precautionary measure?

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    How long do you plan on cruising and are you running the nolva, ldex, and hcg alongside the enanthate ?

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    Good luck on the cycle bro...looks good!!

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    Good luck Pheedster

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    I've already started the accutane at 40mg and will drop to 20 after a month.

    cent- HCG will be used throughout the cycle to keep the testes in optimal size so that they are ready when recovery is attempted. Also, I aways run test way out past the other compounds so in actuallity, it will be cycle length and not the compounds wch will strain recovery.

    sd- My cruises will be 4wks in length and the compounds you listed will be used alongside the AAS

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