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    Question proviron for gyno from deca

    i heard that gyno caused by deca cannot be helped with nolvadex . is this true? if so what can help it? can proviron . also what dosage of proviron should be taken and for how long?
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    No proviron cannot prevent deca related gyno

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    To add on to I.G. , I believe some people to take Winny to take care of deca induced gyno.

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    thanks guys for the tips but is there anything else that can help with gyno from deca that is somewhat cheaper than winny? at this point i don't think i can afford it. how about clomid. i know it is supposedly a weak ae but will it do the job for deca gyno? i just don't understand why deca gyno is so different and why nolvadex or proviron won't work for it. can you help explain this to me please. thanks guys.
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    wouldn't arimidex work or no boys?
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    Originally posted by Iwan2bsolid2
    wouldn't arimidex work or no boys?
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    only with the minimal estrogen conversion deca brings

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    So IG if deca only causes minimal estrogen conversion, why doesn't Nolva or Proviron work?-thanks bud.

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    It has something to do with "proestragen". I read a good discussion on this board about the scientifics. Try searching for it...

    Winnie combats deca gyno.

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    Originally posted by Iwan2bsolid2
    So IG if deca only causes minimal estrogen conversion, why doesn't Nolva or Proviron work?-thanks bud.
    because the conversion to estrogen is minimal, almost non existant and you wont be getting gyno from this small amount of estrogen. Proviron and Nolvadex will also cut off this estrogen conversion but it wont do anything to the fact that its a progestin

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    Some of the things that turn down the natural production of testosterone are estrogen, progesterone, androgens, and of course, testosterone itself. Most likely the newest steroid , primobolan , produces the least detrimental effect to natural testosterone production. 10mg of Oxandrin, (which will not aromatize to estrogen at all), will decrease natural production of testosterone 60% [Int. J. of Obes. Relat. Metab. Disord. 1995; 19.9:614-624]. Finiject, (trenbolone or parabolan ) causes about three times more natural testosterone shut down than testosterone cyp. [Environ. Qual. Saf. Suppl. 1976; 5:253-264]. Some say this is because trenbolone exerts progesterone-like effects [Fertil. Steril. 1993; 60.6:1062-1068].

    Deca has been considered to also have a progesterone-like effect on male fertility and natural testosterone production. Although deca doesn't aromatize to much estrogen, it will down-regulate the natural production of testosterone more than test. cyp shots [see aforementioned reference].

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    ok. so you can get gyno from progetin as well. hmm didn't know that. i love learnin new shit....thanks IG! you know where that post is AB999 is refering to?
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    Originally posted by Iwan2bsolid2
    ok. so you can get gyno from progetin as well. hmm didn't know that. i love learnin new shit....thanks IG! you know where that post is AB999 is refering to?
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    There is progesterone and progestins and deca converts to progesterone which is another female hormone found in women in small quantities. Some men are very sensitive to an increase in progesterone levels and the result is unstoppable gyno. and I dont buy into that winny crap either.

    and no I dont know where the post he is refering to is.

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    thanks bro

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    Originally posted by The Iron Game


    There is progesterone and progestins and deca converts to progesterone which is another female hormone found in women in small quantities. Some men are very sensitive to an increase in progesterone levels and the result is unstoppable gyno. and I dont buy into that winny crap either.

    and no I dont know where the post he is refering to is.

    Nandrolone CANNOT convert to progesterone, it's chemically impossible. Unconverted nandrolone itself is a progestin and binds to progesterone receptors. But deca cannot and does not convert to progesterone.

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    Originally posted by B182



    Nandrolone CANNOT convert to progesterone, it's chemically impossible. Unconverted nandrolone itself is a progestin and binds to progesterone receptors. But deca cannot and does not convert to progesterone.
    nandrolone converts to chemicals which agonize the progesterone receptor, so convert we can say in that sense.

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    I.G. ......let the games begin.

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    I'm not sure whether or not nandrolone metabolites agonise progesterone receptors(but I know nandrolone itself does), but regardless, if that is the case, then it would be much more accurate to say "nandrolone metabolites are progestins as well" or "nandrolone converts to metabolites that are progestins as well" instead of "converts to progesterone"

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    yes, you are right more accurate it would be to say that

    and its good to have you on the board.

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    this issue is startin to get crazy---my heads gettin to maximum capicity---feel it growin---the pressure is rising---bout to explode.

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    Thanks

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    translation for the rest of ya - deca will give you bitch titties if you are progesterone gyno prone - winny can retard the process but not stop it - only one thing can and thats RU-486, the birth controll pill.

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    so after all that what was the solution to deca induced gyno, besides maybe winny???

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    shit, your post got their just before mine, I guess you answered my question

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    so am I getting this right... certain guys are VERY prone to the progesterone and gyno that is "somehow" (in someway) caused by deca ...

    BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY WILL BE PRONE TO ESTROGEN and gyno caused by test.

    correct?

    and if this is true it obviously it should work the other way around?

    i dunno just throwin some questions out here...

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    pretty much correct - or they could be prone to niether or both

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    It works!!but only if you catch it in time!

    I caught gyno in its early stage, when I was coming off parabolin, and sus. I then kicked in a little bit of winny like 25mg eod, and some arimidex and it totally stopped it and it went away after a while.
    I'm out! if you are worried about gyno developing after a cycle look into getting some Hcg . This shit is good stuff!


    -OUTofLINE-

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    If you already have gyno there is only one way none to rid it and that is by surgery! sorry guys.

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