Please provide an opinion on the cycle

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:03 AM

23 yrs old, 5'11, 220, 15%b/f, 3rd cycle. I have been training for close to four years straight now. This was my plan for the next twelve weeks please let me know what you think. Also please advise at what point int the cycle shou clen be added to shed some of this 15%....

WK 1-4 250MG SUS & 35MG Reforvit-B
WK 4-12 250MG SUS & ( I need to know what to incorporate at this point)
WK 12-15 PCT

**Blown_SC** · 08-20-2004, 11:08 AM

I would run clen starting the first day of your PCT....

Give this thread a read as well... CLICK HERE... it's all about PCT...

I can't give you advice on your cycle though.. good luck...

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:10 AM

Thanx, but why can't you give me advice?

**Blown_SC** · 08-20-2004, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Latinohulk

Thanx, but why can't you give me advice?

My knowledge of AS is nowhere near where it should be to provide proper advice... and since I have no first-hand knowledge, it would be awfully hypocritical...

I will give advice, if I know the answer is for certain. In your case, I do not, so i refrain...

That PCT thread is pure gold to read, and my statement about the clen in correct.

Other than that, the more knowledgeable bros will point you in the right direction...

However, are you sure you want to run Sust? What are your goals?

This will help the other bros give you advice.

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:19 AM

That PCT thread is deep bro thanx for the link. I have used SUS in the past and was very impressed with the results. I want to get bigger, but at the same time shed a few pounds around the abdominal area. (the only thing that sucks about being Mexican)

**tinytool** · 08-20-2004, 11:20 AM

1-12 Sus
1-4 Reforvit
1-15 10mg Nolv
1-15 .25 ldex

Start PCT on week 15 Along with your clen for two weeks. Do a search for the "clen handbook" and it will answer all your questions about it.

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:22 AM

Are the dosages for Sus and Reforvit correct? Thanx Tiny Tool.

**Blown_SC** · 08-20-2004, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Latinohulk

That PCT thread is deep bro thanx for the link. I have used SUS in the past and was very impressed with the results. I want to get bigger, but at the same time shed a few pounds around the abdominal area. (the only thing that sucks about being Mexican)

Do you mind ED injections? If not, why not look into Test Prop, Fina, Eq... you would get good gains, and lean up nicely.. this is just a suggestion however, so make sure you do proper research beforehand...

**Blown_SC** · 08-20-2004, 11:25 AM

Here's the Clen Handbook he's talking about:

CLICK HERE

**tinytool** · 08-20-2004, 11:26 AM

First off I have to agree with Blown SC about not using Sus. I'm guessing you already have it so don't sweat it. About the doses it all depends on the person. The majority of people would say to run about 500 mg. a week of Sus. (Remember that it needs to be shot EOD) For the Dbol 35mg is about average also.

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:26 AM

ED injects are a lil rough for me. I can barely handle the once a week thing. I a a decent size dude that *&%^% scared of needles. That's why I chose Reforvit-B so I could just drink the s*&^. Thanks for the suggestion.

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:27 AM

Why is Sus not a primary choice?

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:28 AM

EOD? How do I do that with pre-injects? Last three cycles I did was 1/week. Seemed to work great.

***SV-1*** · 08-20-2004, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by Latinohulk

Why is Sus not a primary choice?

Sust should be shot at least EOD, if not ED.

**tinytool** · 08-20-2004, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Latinohulk

Why is Sus not a primary choice?

Because there are 4 different esters in it meaning if you do happen to get sides from it you won't know what test caused it. Also because of the Prop it needs to be shot EOD to keep the blood levels happy (means less sides)

***SV-1*** · 08-20-2004, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Latinohulk

EOD? How do I do that with pre-injects? Last three cycles I did was 1/week. Seemed to work great.

I've posted this before...

Sust should be shot at least EOD.
http://forums.anabolicreview.com/showthread.php?t=94249

ED is best, and 3 times a week is MUCH less then ideal. I wont even go into how bad twice a week is.
http://www.basskilleronline.com/sust250.html

Remember, it shouldn't be "What is the absolute least I can get away with?".

It should be "What is the BEST and MOST effective way I can run this?".

**Blown_SC** · 08-20-2004, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Latinohulk

Why is Sus not a primary choice?

A few reasons actually...

ED, or EOD injections for one...

Check this thread out, and see what some other bros think...

I have never used it, so I am going on pure 'hear-say'...

CLICK HERE

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:35 AM

Who do I manage to use 250MG a week when they are pre-loaded? EOD to me means 1000MG a week...Don't get me wrong I am soaking up the knowledge.

**tinytool** · 08-20-2004, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by SV-1

I've posted this before...

Remember, it shouldn't be "What is the absolute least I can get away with?".

It should be "What is the BEST and MOST effective way I can run this?".

Awesome Quote

**Blown_SC** · 08-20-2004, 11:38 AM

Bro, if you do not like frequent injections, then why not simply look into other tests?

You have Test Enan, and you have Test Cyp....(Test Prop can be injected ED or EOD, so no point in bothering, since you dislike ED/EOD injections)

Also, you can run MANY different compounds with either of them, tailored to your specific goals...

***SV-1*** · 08-20-2004, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Latinohulk

Who do I manage to use 250MG a week when they are pre-loaded? EOD to me means 1000MG a week...Don't get me wrong I am soaking up the knowledge.

You buy a sealed sterile vial and inject them into it. Then draw from that vial with a regular pin to inject yourself. Also I'd do 500mg a week, not 250.

**Latinohulk** · 08-20-2004, 11:41 AM

Thanx for the links and the insight bros. After viewing the provided links, EOD is what is about to take place. Thanks once again.

**ODC0717** · 08-20-2004, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Latinohulk

23 yrs old, 5'11, 220, 15%b/f, 3rd cycle. I have been training for close to four years straight now. This was my plan for the next twelve weeks please let me know what you think. Also please advise at what point int the cycle shou clen be added to shed some of this 15%....

WK 1-4 250MG SUS & 35MG Reforvit-B
WK 4-12 250MG SUS & ( I need to know what to incorporate at this point)
WK 12-15 PCT

If you go with sust it needs to be shot eod. You could opt for enth or cyp instead of a blend and get more test for your buck. Wait about two and a half weeks after your last sust shot or two weeks after your last enth or cyp shot to begin PCT. You could front end load your cycle with test prop at 75mg ed during weeks 12-14 just to give yourself a little extra boost at the end. You'd still have to wait a week before starting PCT with the front end load of the prop. Perhaps you could get your hands on some tren or fina and do some chemistry. Tren would help ya out a lot with the test and dbol if you're looking for mass.