Thread: really necessary to pyramid.
08-20-2004, 07:46 PM #1
really necessary to pyramid.
I was thinking I would not taper up, but would taper down at the end.
08-20-2004, 07:47 PM #2Originally Posted by Dobie-BOY
08-20-2004, 07:51 PM #3
estrogen levels will be higher after cycle and a sudden drop off will cause bitch tits.
08-20-2004, 07:55 PM #4
dude , you have to do some up to date research
tapering is OLD school and as far as estrogen levels...do you know what PCT is??
08-20-2004, 07:58 PM #5Originally Posted by Dobie-BOY
08-20-2004, 08:01 PM #6
I can't get any anti E's. You are right though, I do need to get up to date, it has been years since I have researched much. What are PCT's?
08-20-2004, 08:03 PM #7
08-20-2004, 08:08 PM #8
What are the negatives of cycling without anti E's. I just started a cycle today and I can't get any anti E's. I do have some clomid, will that do? I have heard that the high estrogen levels play a part in the cycle and post cycle depression. Is this true?
08-20-2004, 08:09 PM #9Originally Posted by Dobie-BOY
08-20-2004, 08:13 PM #10
about 60 tabs. I think they are 50 mgs
08-20-2004, 08:32 PM #11Associate Member
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I always taper down regardless of what the new school thinks. I take 4 weeks to do it and what I have noticed is less sides especially with acne, mood, and gyno. I also notice when I get down to HRT levels with my test, I usually dont have to PCT that long. About 2-3 weeks then right back on. I have added about 30lbs of solid muscle over the last 2 years since employing the taper down method. I have never gone over 800 mgs a week of test and only ran a cycle that high once or twice for 8 weeks. I like smaller dosages for longer periods. I just started insulin and love it. I guess you just have to find what works for you.
08-21-2004, 03:34 AM #12Originally Posted by Dobie-BOY
Breasts, water retention,.....you might not feel fresh all the time...no, ignore the last one, and I'd follow Ecoastvip's advice on the PCT...good luck
08-21-2004, 05:47 AM #13
I still hear some people recommending tapering their AAS doses
I just want to reiterate tapering versus not tapering. I would graph this, but I'm lazy.....
All of the following are arbitrary numbers and aren't meant to depict actual pharmacokinetics, with the exception of diminishing plasma concentrations due to half-lives.
Assume you are going to run an 8 week cycle, and that you you are injecting 500mg/wk of a compound with a 1 week half-life. For arguments sake, let's say you've established a constant plasma level of 1000ng/dL (arbitrary).
Situation A) You continue to inject 500mg/wk all the way through week 8 and then stop cold turkey
Situation B) You inject 500mg/wk weeks 1-6, week 7 you inject 250mg, and week 8 you inject 125mg.
Your plasma concentrations for each situation will be as follows:
A: wk 9= 500ng/dL, week 10= 250ng/dL, week 11= 125ng/dL, week 12= 62.5ng/dL
B: wk7= 750ng/dL, wk 8= 500ng/dL, week 9= 250ng/dL, wk 10= 125ng/dL, wk 11= 62.5ng/dL
So, you'll see that tapering doesn't do anything advantageous for us. The half-life of the compound takes care of the tapering for you. All tapering does is shorten the period of your cycle where you have a consistent peak plasma level, which reduces the time during which you'll see maximal gains.
08-21-2004, 06:33 AM #14
thanks for clearing that up for me einstein. i was wondering about that for a while. and as usual, very informative post.
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