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08-25-2004, 05:22 PM #1Junior Member
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I read this somehwere and want to know if it is true
I was doing some reasearch about how to keep your gains that you get from your cycles after you discontinue your steroid use . This is what I came across to find:
"Avoid an abrupt discontinuance of all steroids at the same time because the body would enter an immediate catabolic phase. The cortisone receptors will be free and in combination with the low testosterone and androgen levels a considerable loss of strength and mass, and an increase of fat and water, and often gynecomastia will occur. Gynecomastia is possible because the suddenly low androgen level shifts the relationship in favor of the estrogens which suddenly become the domineering hormone. Especially eye-catching is also the extreme listlessness to training or sex and a generally weak state of mind of several athletes. If not forced because of medical reasons never discontinue steroids 'cold turkey'."
I wanted to know if this is true. See, I have never done a cycle before and I have finally got one set up and I was going to order my gear within the next couple of weeks. From the way I read it in this article, it seems like it is saying that once I start on steroids, I should never go off of them, except for when I go through my off time of 8-12 weeks. All I wanted to do was two cycles, one for bulking during this fall/winter and one more for cutting up over the spring/summer and those were the only two cycles I wanted to do. But if I have to continually do cycles throughout the rest of my life, then I just don't know.
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08-25-2004, 05:24 PM #2
Research PCT....don't even think about a cycle with out it.
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08-25-2004, 05:27 PM #3Junior Member
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I have. I already have a PCT set up:
PCT
Day 1 300mg Clomid/20mg Nolvadex
Day 2-30 100mg Clomid/20mg Nolvadex
Day 31-37 20mg Nolvadex
But I am assuming that this statement I found already took into consideration that somebody would be doing PCT.
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08-25-2004, 06:11 PM #4
Basically its stating that you dont want to stop your cycle all at once, for example if you were doing a prop, fina,eq cycle you wouldn't want to stop all of these at wk 15. instead, end the tren at wk 10 eq at 12 and prop at 15 start pct 3 days after last shot.
also It doesn't mean that you have to stay on for the rest of you life. but you must know that after time you will loose most if not all your gains. After completing the pct you can stay off for as long as you want.
HM
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08-25-2004, 07:55 PM #5Junior Member
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ok...thanks for the help
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08-25-2004, 08:21 PM #6
I disagree, you shoult stop everything all at once, and get yourself back up and running with PCT as quick as you can, tapparing does nothing, it does not slowely start you back up, if anything for PCT i would add ******* which i have done with great success...and reduce overall volume of training to compenstae for increased state of catabolism, include supplements such as creatine 10 gm after training anf glutamine 3 times a day at 10gm each and you should recover quickly with the plan you have out lined...good luck...XXL
Last edited by MIKE_XXL; 08-26-2004 at 08:21 AM.
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08-25-2004, 08:30 PM #7
F^ck insulin ! My boy died 5 days ago b/c of insulin. The otopsy(sp?) hasn't come back yet. But I know just before he died he was starting insulin. It can be good if used properly, but it can be deadly! My friend died and was buried on his 31st birthday.
Mr. Louisiana R.I.P.
In responce to your post. All those things will happen if PCT is not taken. But when taking nolva estrogen will not rise. Estrogen sides are fat gain and water weight. Loosing your mass will happen when your body doesn't have any test to run on. Taking PCT will "jump start" your nuts and enable your body to once again run on its own natural test, therefore you will not loose gains. Everyone is different and some people can take PCT and keep all gains(me ) but some people don't keep everything. Your best bet is to just fo PCT as required and don't worry about a thing.
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08-25-2004, 09:09 PM #8Originally Posted by gibsonlpsd
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08-25-2004, 09:48 PM #9
I am sorry you friend died of insulin use, however in defense of slin many people have died from aspirin over dose and ephedrin over dose etc...as a matter of fact 150,000 people die each year from wrongful use of over the counter medications, does that mean we should ban everything and not use a single thing......i think not, so do not condemn insulin because of one isolated case...i do however understands it hits you deeper then me as he was your firend...XXL
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08-25-2004, 11:36 PM #10Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by gibsonlpsd
Clomid and nolva are used because they directly block the effects of estrogen. Other drugs reduce the amount of estrogen in your blood but these type of drugs cause your cholesterol to go thru the roof. Allowing your estrogen to climb along with the testosterone keeps your cholesterol and blood pressure lower. Nolva will directly prevent estrogen from affecting breast tissue but does a bad job in other body parts. Clomid protects the nut sack and HTPA itself the most but does a bad job in the breast tissue.
Anyways modern thinking is that you use several other drugs to counter the bad effects of steroids . You might also need cholesterol lowering meds, high blood pressure meds, anti-acne meds, as well as the anti-estrogens.
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08-25-2004, 11:40 PM #11
Whoa!, this kids never done roids and your telling him to jump on the band wagon and use Slin, easy, Hes got a long ass ways to go before he starts trying **** like that
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08-25-2004, 11:41 PM #12
That just describes what would happen if you quit cold turkey with no anti-e's or PCT. You say you've researched PCT so therefore you need not worry.
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08-26-2004, 08:20 AM #13Originally Posted by Doc Slin
...and to the guy asking a question, more then likly you will uses AS again after your initial 2 cycles, remember most of us here satred only wanting a little bit extra weight maybe 1 or 2 cycles, and yet most of us are still juicing...once you start it is hard to train without it...XXL
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08-26-2004, 08:29 AM #14Originally Posted by BigGenes
thats why alot of peeps stay on year round becouse it helps to stay jacked up, plus it feels good to be on for that long
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08-30-2004, 12:47 AM #15
Sorry mike, not trying to sound hostile.
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08-30-2004, 08:37 AM #16Associate Member
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That excerpt you quoted is from the old school ways of tapering. They really didn't do **** for post cycle. They just weaned off the gear. Tapering does nothing good for you now that PCT has come to light.
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08-30-2004, 09:47 AM #17Associate Member
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jsut make sure u do your pct right and you will keep alot of your gains, dont just stop one day with no pct
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08-30-2004, 10:19 AM #18
I think that article was advocating Pyramiding?????
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