Thread: Tren Gyno....
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08-30-2004, 08:59 AM #1Banned
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Tren Gyno....
just wanting a little reassurance guys, vit b6 at 400mg ED should i be ok when running only 75mg EoD for 6 weeks or does it normally occur in people who take tren at higher dosages and for longer, also as this is my first time ive bought the acetate and not Hex, do you think this was wise as i know it'll be outta my system quicker if i encounter any unbearable sides. I know everyone is different but i need a little reassurance b4 i start
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08-30-2004, 09:04 AM #2
Bro Im running tren at 105mg EoD....Firstly Tren doesn't aromatise so the possiblity of GYNO is slim to none unless u'r really prone.....200mg of B6 should be enough because B6 fvcks with your nerves....If I take too much B6 my ankles and forarms become numb and start hurting......Another preventative measure for Tren Gyno is Vitex(Chaste Tree Berry Extract)....Expect some acne and lots of aggression....GOOD LUCK and HAPPY GROWING......
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08-30-2004, 09:09 AM #3Banned
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thanks for that mate, ill get some vitex for sure although im not normally prone to gyno - just being on the safe side, where does most acne manifest? on your body or facial area? with tren that is, i normally break out a little during and after PCT very rarely whilst on, will this probably be the case for tren or is it a totally different type of steroid altogether when it comes to acne?
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08-30-2004, 09:09 AM #4
Tren causes Gyno through a different pathway the estrogen, it is a progesterone induced gyno, tren cross reacts with progesterone receptors...for exemple i can not go even to 50mg /day of tren without getting major sore nips and lumps, i tried Bromo which is sepouse to block the progesterone receptor and nothing, I still sot sore nips, i know it was tren as i was on 1gm of test with arimidex as well as clomid so i know it wasn't the test giving me problems, plus test never gives me problems...so be careful...good luck...XXL
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08-30-2004, 09:15 AM #5Banned
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cheers mike thats what i thought, its a diff gyno from the testosterone type - is that correct, so even if you dont get anything with test, it can be a whole different story with tren
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08-30-2004, 09:19 AM #6Originally Posted by Britguy
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08-30-2004, 09:22 AM #7Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL
Id agree with Mike but not a majority of tren users experience that.....Generally speaking there is a very minute percentile who get affected with tren gyno and vitex really helps....bromo has too many sides and it makes you feel like a$$......Its the same roller coaster ride as DNP but 20 times worse...
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08-30-2004, 09:27 AM #8Banned
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well..fingers crossed im not prone to acne at all, age 25 my spots have seemed to have subsided even on gear so i hope its a good sign, makes me laugh when im paranoid to **** about getting facial acne and theres stuff like your liver and kidneys that don't seem to worry me half as much!
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08-31-2004, 08:32 AM #9Originally Posted by khurrams
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08-31-2004, 08:41 AM #10Originally Posted by MIKE_XXL
bro if thats the case with you, does that mean you can never do tren ? cant you up your dose on nolva to combat the sore nips?
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08-31-2004, 08:44 AM #11
b6 or dostinex for tren gyno
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08-31-2004, 08:47 AM #12Respected Member
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Tren does not convert to progesterone. No steroid does. It is a progestin in it's own form without undergoing any structural changes. Prolactin is the major concern with tren which is what B6 and the script prolactin inhibitors are used for(Bromo, dostinex, etc)
The only anti-progesterone available is RU-486(morning after pill) and I would not utilize that.
Sex drive and recovery are your major problems with tren, but thwarted with proper preacutions. As for progesterone, its not really a concern once steady state is reached
3 to 4 combinations of hormones cause gyno- Estrogen, Progesterone, Prolactin, and IGF. Nandrolone (and tren) is a weak progestin, which agonizes the PRL, it also raises IGF. Progesterone induced gyno is not really a concern as the binding affinity is not that which could manifest a mass and you would need a high ratio of the two isoforms for concern anyhow. The production of prolactin is a deffinate risk. Adding a testosterone to the mix, the estrogen:test ratio could get higher than safe, if prolactin lowers testosterone drastically enough
I have never found any documented cases of progesterone incduced gyno. Probably because it's not really possible on it's own
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