Old mans 2nd cycle

**DNH** · 08-22-2004, 06:49 PM

Ok guys I'm now on final week of PCT after 1st cycle> I had great gains on test e 500mg ew tren 100mg eod now I,m planning my next cycle Oct 1. This is what I,m planning
dbol 30mg ed week1-4
Test Prop 50mg ed week 1-3
Test E 500mg ew week 1-18
deca 400mg ew weeks 1-10
Tren 75mg ed weeks 8-18
PCT 3 week post clomid 300mg day 100mg ed week1-4
Anti-e on hand
By the way I,M 49 years young if this changes any thing
Please take a look and let me know what you think.

DNH

**Musa** · 08-22-2004, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by DNH

Ok guys I'm now on final week of PCT after 1st cycle> I had great gains on test e 500mg ew tren 100mg eod now I,m planning my next cycle Oct 1. This is what I,m planning
dbol 30mg ed week1-4
Test Prop 50mg ed week 1-3
Test E 500mg ew week 1-18
deca 400mg ew weeks 1-10
Tren 75mg ed weeks 8-18
PCT 3 week post clomid 300mg day 100mg ed week1-4
Anti-e on hand
By the way I,M 49 years young if this changes any thing
Please take a look and let me know what you think.

DNH

What was your first cycle , and your gains??

**Da Bull** · 08-22-2004, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by DNH

Ok guys I'm now on final week of PCT after 1st cycle> I had great gains on test e 500mg ew tren 100mg eod now I,m planning my next cycle Oct 1. This is what I,m planning
dbol 30mg ed week1-4
Test Prop 50mg ed week 1-3
Test E 500mg ew week 1-18
deca 400mg ew weeks 1-10
Tren 75mg ed weeks 8-18
PCT 3 week post clomid 300mg day 100mg ed week1-4
Anti-e on hand
By the way I,M 49 years young if this changes any thing
Please take a look and let me know what you think.

DNH

This is a little to harsh for you second cycle bro.Recovery will be difficult at you age coming off deca and tren in one cycle.I'd skip the tren trhis cycle and run the deca 4 weeks longer.No need for the prop in the cycle either,since you ahve dbol to jump start.

btw...I'm 44,so I know what recovering from harsh cycles are like.

**DNH** · 08-23-2004, 05:18 PM

Thanks bro I'll take your advice.
DNH

**DNH** · 08-23-2004, 07:11 PM

My 1st cycle was test-E 500mg ew week 1-12 tren 100mg eod week 1-12. I gained 14 lb and lost 8% body fat I was pleased with the results.I have lost some on pct. pct was clomad 3week post 300mg day-1 100mg ed week-1-4 along with novdex 20mg ed week 1-2.

DNH

**Gilster** · 08-23-2004, 09:42 PM

Stick to 12 week cycles for now bro. You do not want to shut yourself down for that long at your age because it makes it harder to get back to normal. Our "norm" is already reduced due to age and it is not good to shut down too hard. I know I am 40+

and long cycles are really hard to recover from at our age. I did a 20 week cycle with tren and recovery was almost impossible. I have low natural test levels now for my age and have been off for over a year. I use HCG and clomid 10 days a month to try and get to normal and it has worked but I am still on the low end for my age. My suggestion....choose one or the other...tren or deca ....as both individually shut you down REAL hard and make recovery difficult for us older bros. Both together may be a mistake IMO.

**DNH** · 08-24-2004, 05:08 PM

Thanks for the advice I,m hearing what your saying.

DNH

**map** · 08-24-2004, 05:18 PM

i just had my test levels checked and at3 months post cycle i am at about 400, what were your levels when you had yours checked?

**map** · 08-24-2004, 05:19 PM

by the way i am 43, sorry for that lack of info!!!!!!!

**Gilster** · 08-24-2004, 08:00 PM

My test was at 184 when I first checked about 8 months ago. Now it is at 290 and has peaked at 424 a week after an hcg run, but it will decline slowly as the days go by. It maintains at a higher number each hcg run I do, and I have been doing it for 5 months now, slow and steady. It is slowly climbing as I do my own extended pct, while I store away all the prescribed test I have been given for hrt. I will use it in a cycle later. Nothing beats free gear from the pharmacy prescribed by the doc. If you are at 400 you are ok, as it is the number I wish to get back to and maintain.

**DNH** · 08-25-2004, 08:51 PM

I,m in my last week of 4 week pct clomid 300mg day-1 100mg day2-30 novdex 20 ed week-1-2. I,m not coming back very well as i had hoped, the hcg sounds like something that might help i have done a little research on it but not enough to know results or dose any insight on this would be a help.
DNH

**Gilster** · 08-25-2004, 09:03 PM

Hcg ...take 500mgs/d for 10 days after you finish clomid. I like to use nolva at 20mgs/d along with it to reduce the estro rebund from the increased test production.

**johnsomebody** · 08-30-2004, 09:17 PM

Wait a minute, everything I've read says that Clomid should only be used a couple days AFTER HCG post cycle since it's suppressive itself. Are you sure that's correct?

**Gilster** · 08-31-2004, 02:52 PM

Neither clomid nor hcg is suppressive.

**johnsomebody** · 08-31-2004, 11:04 PM

Sorry, my post was confusing now that I look at it. What I meant was that HCG is LH suppressive. I'll have to go look again to make sure , if I find anything I'll PM ya.