BAM! Only 3 weeks into cycle and gained 17 lbs already!!!

sup bro's ,just had to share my exciting news!! I'm pretty hyped. Jumped on the scale at the gym today, 228lbs !!! from 211, 3 weeks ago!!! And still under 13%bf(10% when I started) I'm taking 35mg/day dbol, and 400mg/week test cyp, and I think the cyp has just BEGUN to kick in!!! I can't believe this sh*t, and I still got 7 weeks left on this cycle!!! I'm got 1 more week on the d-bol then I'm working some tren into the mix 100mg/day ed for the remainder of my cycle. Only other thing I'm doing is a mere 75mg/week deca(brothaz poor these days, only had half bottle of 300 left, so I said what the hell, cant hurt) and 10iu slin post workout. I've cut my training back from 6 days a week to no more than 3-4 brief(no more than 45 minutes) workouts a week since the start of the cycle(2-3 cardio sessions a week as well) and upped the cals from around 2000/day to 3500. My gains are probably having alot to do with a rebound effect as well since I've been eating lean as sh*t since last Dec!!!!! Anyways, I feel like fuc*ing Superman in the gym, and can't wait to see what other gains I will get from my cycle. Do you guys think that after I drop the D-bol I can still continue to make mad gains with the 100mg/tren ed along with the test??? I'm 228 right now, is getting up to 250lbs at under 15 or 16% possible within the next 7 weeks ya think, based on what I've gained already?? Pain

Jesus christ bro... 2000 and even 3500 calories a day isnt $hit for bulking... thats sweet you made gains... you might want to up it still though especially when you weigh 228

what is the best kcals for bulking and cutting and for each what is the optimal combination of Protein / Carbs / Fat

**** thats a lot of water!!

thats the thing man, it's NOT that much water, I can still see the outline of my abs, I just at so little for so long that my body is just going crazy right now!!!!

i agree u really need to be eating way more than 3500 calories a day, u might not get to 250 but u should get close if you eat more, just my opinion though......keep getting big and good luck!

that is the thing about gaining water weight. you dont just gain it in the abs you gain it everywhere.

Sweet man. Keep growing and up those cals.

get some Letrozole and take off the 10 pounds of water you gained ......You will be much happier in a few weeks with gain you will keep...up the cals and protein...


Eat To Grow

EAT TO GROW
What if I told you your success or failure in the gym has very little to do with what you do in the gym. You would probably look at me like I was crazy. Guess what, nutrition is by far the most important factor to making progress on any fitness program. Why have the so called "experts" made nutrition so confusing? I am going to attempt to take some of the confusion out of this subject and simplify things for you. First, lets start off by getting rid of the word "nutrition" and call it eating.

HOW MUCH SHOULD I BE EATING?

The first determination we need to make is how many calories should we be consuming each day? Unfortunately, everybody does not have the same caloric demands. Therefore, we must come up with a caloric figure to meet your specific demands. To determine what your caloric intake should be, simply take your current body weight and multiply by 12. The number you get will be the amount of calories you need to maintain your current weight (assuming you are training regularly). If you would like to gain weight, simply multiply your current body weight by a factor of 15. If you would like to lose some weight, simply multiply your body weight by a factor of 10. (Example: Maintenance, 200lb male X 12 = 2400 calories per day).

Remember, everybody has a different metabolism. Therefore, you may need to adjust these factors slightly to fit your specific demands. Basically, these figures serve as an ideal starting point to figure out what your personal caloric demands are.

HOW MANY GRAMS OF PROTEIN, CARBOHYDRATES AND FAT?

I am a strong proponent of the high protein, low carbohydrate and low fat way of eating. I even go as far as putting some of my clients on regimens consisting of 60% protein, 30% carbohydrate and 10% fat. For purposes of this article I will suggest that 50% of your calories come from protein, 30% from carbohydrates and 20% from fat. A gram of protein is equal to 4 calories and a gram of carbohydrate is also equal to 4 calories. Each gram of fat is equal to 9 calories. Now, take the above formula and figure out how many grams of protein, carbohydrates and protein you should be consuming each day. (Example: Maintenance, 200lb man requires 2400 calories, 300 grams of protein, 180 grams of carbohydrate, 53 grams of fat).

WHEN DO I EAT MY MEALS?

I suggest that you consume a meal every two and a half to three hours throughout the day. The easiest way to calculate when to eat your meals is to plan it out in advance. Therefore, write down what time it will be three hours from your first meal (breakfast) and then every three hours thereafter. Basically what I am saying is to eat when the clock tells you to, not when your stomach tells you. (Example: If you ate breakfast at 8:00 a.m., your next meals would be at 11:00 a.m., 2:00 p.m., 5:00p.m. and 8:00 p.m.). Attempt to eat each meal using the 50% protein, 30% carbohydrates and 20% fat breakdown. Also, if your caloric demand is roughly 2400 calories per day try to get in about 500 calories at each meal. Eating in this manner makes it very easy to stay disciplined.

WHAT ARE THE BEST THINGS TO EAT?

I guess this one depends upon what you like to eat. Remember, I am trying to make this eating concept easy for you. First, let me give you some examples of what protein, carbohydrates and fats are. Examples of good protein include: red meat, fish, chicken, turkey, milk, eggs and whey. Examples of carbohydrates include: rice, potatoes, breads, grains, fruits and vegetables. Examples of good fats include: flax seed oil, safflower oil, borage seed oil, fish oil, conjugated lineic acid and MCT oil. Obviously there are many more examples of the food groups I have mentioned, however, these are the most common.

Using the foods I have mentioned above in the right quantity would give you all you ever needed to succeed in the gym. The problem is preparing food during your busy day is not convenient. Therefore the solution is using meal replacement powders. These powders come in convenient packs, are easily mixed with water and the nutritional breakdown is great. There are many companies such as Met Rx, Myoplex, Perfect Rx and Rx Fuel which make decent meal replacement s. I highly recommend that you incorporate one of these products into your daily eating program. I suggest eating three regular food meals and two meal replacement s per day. If you are trying to lose weight you may want to eat three meal replacement s and two regular food meals. If you are trying to gain weight you may try eating three regular meals and three or even four meal replacement s.

MEAL SUGGESTIONS

The most common complaint about eating properly is not having enough time to prepare good meals. We have already discussed the convenience of meal replacement powders, so I will give you some dishes that are easy and enjoyable. I usually start my day off with a bowl of oatmeal mixed with egg whites, a scoop of whey protein powder, and a tablespoon of flaxseed oil. To spice it up I will add apple filling, cinnamon or equal packets. This recipe is quick, easy, tastes good and yields about 50 grams of protein (8 egg whites and one scoop of whey protein), 35 grams of carbs, 14 grams of fat (flaxseed oil) and roughly 500 calories. As you can see, this concoction fits exactly into my nutritional profile.

Another meal I eat frequently for lunch or dinner is a mixture of white rice, boiled egg whites and tuna (chicken may be substituted). I simply cook about 3 oz. of white rice and boil six eggs. I mix the rice together with six egg whites and one yolk. I then add in a can of white chunk tuna, flaxseed oil and some garlic powder (or your favorite spice). This recipe yields about 60 grams of protein, 30 grams of carbs, 15 grams of fat and roughly 500 calories.

THINGS TO AVOID WHEN EATING

NOT GETTING ENOUGH PROTEIN

Protein is essential in your quest to build quality muscle. The question is how much protein should you be consuming? A good rule of thumb is to consume 1.5 - 2 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight. The easiest way to get enough protein into your body is with a good whey protein supplement. In addition to your meals, mix two scoops of whey protein with some water. Also, try to mix up your protein sources throughout the day. For example, eat tuna at one meal, chicken at the next and eggs at the next meal. No matter what you do, consume at least your minimum protein requirement everyday.

NOT GETTING ENOUGH WATER

Try to sip on water constantly throughout the day. Water may be the most underrated piece of the bodybuilding puzzle. As we know, the body is made up of approximately 67% water. Water is desperately needed to cleanse the body and help to regenerate muscle cells. As a rule of thumb, try to consume at least one gallon of water per day.

NOT KEEPING A DAILY JOURNAL

The first thing I tell my bodybuilding clients is to write down everything that goes into their body. Writing down what you eat is the only way to analyze any changes that need to be made for future progress. It is very hard to make changes in your diet if you don't know what time you eat, what kind of protein you eat and how many grams of protein, carbs, fats and calories you are ingesting. The more detailed your log is, the easier it will be for you to go back and analyze it.

TOO MANY SIMPLE CARBOHYDRATES

Yes you need carbohydrates in your body. The question becomes are all carbs created equal. The answer is no. Without getting into too much detail, simple carbs cause a high insulin spike because they have a high glycemic index. This is usually not a good thing when trying to keep fat off of your body. Simple carbs are basically your sugars, sweets and fruits. Try to stick to carbs like potatoes, rice and vegetables. The best time to consume simple carbs is within two hours after training. During this period your muscles are very receptive to simple sugars.

NOT CONSUMING ENOUGH GOOD FAT

Yes, you read that correctly. Fat is not always the enemy. There is nothing wrong with consuming moderate amounts of fat in your diet. In fact, research has shown that fat is essential to growth, recovery, skin and connective tissue. A good rule of thumb is to stay away from hydrogenated oils, "shelf oils" and vegetable oils. These are the fats found in potato chips and snacks. Also, limit your saturated fat intake to that which is found naturally in the protein you eat. Finally, make sure you are getting a sufficient amount of essential fatty acids in your diet. Try to add a tablespoon of flaxseed oil to your protein shakes or meals.

DON'T WAIT ANOTHER MINUTE

What are you doing? You should be looking at the clock to see if it is time to eat again. As I stated earlier, eating is the key to your success or failure in the gym. Once you begin to gain more of an understanding of what your body's demands are, you will be able to customize a more intricate eating plan for yourself. For now, keep a detailed journal and watch your body change for the better

You sound hyped bro! good luck.....be sure to eat foods that are "filled to the brim with protein".

excellent copy and past skills!!!

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excellent copy and past skills!!!

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:lol: This post goes great with your avatar.

How many cals would you guys recommend then, like 5000???

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How many cals would you guys recommend then, like 5000???

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Yeah, 4000 or 5000

How long have you been working out?

about 7 1/2 years now

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about 7 1/2 years now

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Well that gets rid of the "newbie-gains-a-ton-on-no-calories" theory, you know how people can eat $hit diets and gain a ton their first 6 months or so but after that you gotta take a look at diet...


It really boggles my mind that at your weight you can gain on 2000 or 3500 calories... are you sure youre not missing any calories totaling it up?

you didnt mention any ani-es bro.i can only guess you gained about 15# of water weight.d-bol will do that to you.you will see when you kick it and add the tren.

228 to 250 in the next 7 weeks?....that might be feasible but if i were you bro i'd try to stay as lean as possible...those gains are nice and quick. some of it is water with d-bol and no anti-es but don't sweat it, that tren will even everything out. good job!!

Make sure you have a good post cycle plan in place...

Thats sweet. Keep up the good work.

the guy must have good genes hey bro what type of dianabol are you using?? i want to try the pink thais

Time and time again....d-bol proves itself. I know the feeling bro. Those are monster gains I remember back when I would gain 9 lbs in a couple weeks from the big D. Pink thais are good. Keep up the good work.

Thats freaking awesome bro. Keep up the meals and up the calories to at least 4500. IMO. Good job though bro

i want to get a script for sum dianabol

yeah guys, the d-bol tabs are the British Anabol(thai pinks) and one bottle of the cyp is human grade, the other is from Syd Labs. IMO I'm running some quality sh*t, probably has alot to do with the gains. My lifts are definitely going up big time. Hit 410/6 on the squat rack Saturday(breaking parallel, unlike most), hit 315/3 on incline bench, and I couldnt tell you what my deadlift is now because my back pumps are so severe from the d tabs that deadlifting right now is almost out of the question!!! All in all I'm very happy with the results so far, and as soon as I get some type of dam* photoshop(it wont let me load my pics cause they are too big) I'll post some before and after pics for ya'. Peace

First its good to see your happy ,I know I would be if I gained 17lbs in 21 days. But not to play devils advocate here its mostly water bro. The cyp may of just kicked in too. Look at it this way 17lbs is 5.66lbs per wk or .80lbs per day. IMO 1-2 lbs of LBM is very good per week of keepable gains but 5.66lbs per wk is not possible of pure muscle. Remember evan tho you can see your abs water is spread all over & on your frame its easy to hide 17lbs but mostly will notice bloat in the face/hands. Maybe true LBM is around 3lbs just a guess...good luck

Nice job, sounds like you're on the right stack. Just be careful taking dbols for 10 weeks

Hey my gains were similar I did 18 lbs in 3 weeks from 202lbs to 220lbs and I have 15 weeks to go, yes some water I suspect but i'm also running nolva 20mg Ed and Arimidex.25 ED along with HCG 500ui ED so far my cycle looks like this

Starting weight 202lbs
Started on August 17th,
Loading Phase. Test Enanthate 250mg & Test Prop 100mg everyday for 10 days. End of 10 days I gained 13lbs to 215lbs. (some water weight)

Week 1 begin August 30th
Test Enanthate 1000mg a week EOD
EQ 600mg 3xWeek
Deca 400mg 2xWeek
GH 2IU 2 x Day
Insulin 6IU 2 x Day
Friday September 3rd Weight in at 220lbs

My second half of the cycle consist of Prop and Tren (droping Test E, EQ and the Deca)

I'll tell you bro the insulin has a lot to do with those gains

Oh yeah, I totally realize that alot of it is water weight, actually I'm 233 right now, so I've gained another 5 pounds since this post!!! hahahahhaha, and the thing about it is , I'm eating totally clean!! I mean aside from 1 cheat day/week my diet is still pretty clean, the only difference is I dropped the chicken and eat all red meat instead, and upped the carbs to 3-400 grams/day. I cannot believe the strength I've gotten just so far from this cycle. My bench has skyrocketed, hell, I'm at the point now where I can do 315/5 on the incline which is really good for me. The only lift that I've sort of neglected since starting the d-bol is the deadlifts, my back pumps are so severe deadlifting feels next to impossible to perform, its bad enough just squatting heavy. I've always been a huge advocate of slin, seems like you keep alot of your gains from it. I have noticed some major bloating and a change in the way my face appears lately, I'm looking really puffy, but I guess thats just part of the game. Anyways, thanks for the advice and encouragement everybody, I got to get going, got some tren to make!!!!!