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    Question is PCT absolutely necessary?

    Ok. I have been reading all the info about PCTs. I have a buddy of mine who said for his very first cycle he did not use PCTs and was just fine without them. It was not until he started back to back cycles and using Test-E that he started to use the clomids and nolva etc. His first cycle consisted of Deca 300 and Bold 200. He added about 15-20 pounds over a 12-15 week cycle ( I dont remember exactly how long that cycle lasted. Could someone shed some more light on PCTs. Are they absolutely necessary for the first cycle?

    TIA!!

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    He used deca and eq for a first cycle and it didn't shut him down. I find that hard to believe.

    And yes, PCT is absolutely necessary.

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    Your friend have just been one of the lucky ones...but you sure you want to spin that wheel??

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    That is what he says. I have no reason not to trust him. What would be good to take with a cycle like that if one was trying to be cautious?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slippin
    Ok. I have been reading all the info about PCTs. I have a buddy of mine who said for his very first cycle he did not use PCTs and was just fine without them. It was not until he started back to back cycles and using Test-E that he started to use the clomids and nolva etc. His first cycle consisted of Deca 300 and Bold 200. He added about 15-20 pounds over a 12-15 week cycle ( I dont remember exactly how long that cycle lasted. Could someone shed some more light on PCTs. Are they absolutely necessary for the first cycle?

    TIA!!
    yes!

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    I dont see why you wouldnt wnat to use it. If it helps you keep more of your gains then WHY NOT!

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    One reason might be that they are highly expensive. But Russian Roulette can be highly expensive too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slippin
    One reason might be that they are highly expensive. But Russian Roulette can be highly expensive too.
    They are necessary. And not all sides are readily apparent to novice users on their first cycle. Don't trust what one person says over scientific logic for why they're needed and why they work.

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    PCT is dirt cheap! What are you talking about?

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    You only want to do PCT if,

    you want your body to keep the muscle you gained

    you want normal sized nuts again

    you want your body chemistry back to normal

    you want to produce your own testosterone again

    you want to be able to maintain an erection for longer than a minute

    you do not want to have permanent erectile disfunction at age 30

    other than that you can skip it

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    if you want to make sure your body get's back in check and like to keep your gains, then yes pct is necessary. If you like to gamble, feel free and go without it, good luck.

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    So well said.



    Quote Originally Posted by Gilster
    You only want to do PCT if,

    you want your body to keep the muscle you gained

    you want normal sized nuts again

    you want your body chemistry back to normal

    you want to produce your own testosterone again

    you want to be able to maintain an erection for longer than a minute

    you do not want to have permanent erectile disfunction at age 30

    other than that you can skip it

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORDBLiTZ
    PCT is dirt cheap! What are you talking about?
    yea now
    I remember having to pay 45-50 dollars for 20nolvadex 10mg tabs
    and clomid was like 2$ a pill 50mg
    HCG sheet might as well have been HGH

    PCT used to cost me more than the freakin cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORDBLiTZ
    He used deca and eq for a first cycle and it didn't shut him down. I find that hard to believe.

    And yes, PCT is absolutely necessary.
    some people do not experience significant suppression.. particularly young people.. they are the EXCEPTION.


    to not use PCT is UNWISE, considering that it is often the cheapest part of a cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha


    to not use PCT is UNWISE, considering that it is often the cheapest part of a cycle.
    No $hit, especially with all the research chems out there!! SO CHEAP

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    Quote Originally Posted by slippin
    Ok. I have been reading all the info about PCTs. I have a buddy of mine who said for his very first cycle he did not use PCTs and was just fine without them. It was not until he started back to back cycles and using Test-E that he started to use the clomids and nolva etc. His first cycle consisted of Deca 300 and Bold 200. He added about 15-20 pounds over a 12-15 week cycle ( I dont remember exactly how long that cycle lasted. Could someone shed some more light on PCTs. Are they absolutely necessary for the first cycle?

    TIA!!

    dont even consider doing a cycle without proper pct

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    You're buddy had weak gear - that's why he didn't crash.

    My first cycle without PCT ended like a train derailment.. bad.

    Now i have clomid strips from greece. I plan on keeping my gains.

    PCT is the MOST important cycle of a cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilster
    You only want to do PCT if,

    you want your body to keep the muscle you gained

    you want normal sized nuts again

    you want your body chemistry back to normal

    you want to produce your own testosterone again

    you want to be able to maintain an erection for longer than a minute

    you do not want to have permanent erectile disfunction at age 30

    other than that you can skip it
    Any other questions?

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    man clomid is so cheap i got lie 4 bottles of it chillin
    in the stash now.

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    No excuse NOT to run pct. Its NOT like going out to eat and ordering dessert (if you get it the more the better, but if you don't no lose). Rather, its more like the baked potatoe that comes with the steak. Its part of the dinner and without it, you can't say you had a good steak dinner.

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    well my cousin has done a good bit of cycles and sometimes he doesent run anti estrogens and the last few cycles he did no pct. he doesent have gyno or anything like that, the only noticable difference that i can tell is that after a cycle he looses a good bit of size but he is still huge because he had a great base when he started. when i do steroids i will definitly take anti es and good pct without a doubt. dont do a cycle without it!!!!just my opinion.

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