Thread: First cycle
09-12-2004, 08:40 PM #1
at the end of nov i am going to do my first cycle i was thinking either enan or cyp. a fue people told me it would be good for a first cycle seeing as how it is just a once or twice a week injection, as far a pct i was thinking nolva, as far as the dosage goes i am still researching all that. just let me know how this sounds and i will list the dosage when i figure that out.
09-12-2004, 08:50 PM #2
09-12-2004, 08:57 PM #3Originally Posted by sensaispike
pct you NEED clomid unless you want to lose all your gains
09-12-2004, 08:58 PM #4
Do some d-bol bro @ 20-30 mg for 4 weeks!
09-12-2004, 09:05 PM #5
I'd use nolva over clomid here's why
Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men.
Vermeulen A, Comhaire F.
The administration of tamoxifen , 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone , and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL. Treatment of patients with "idiopathic" oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels. A significant increase in sperm density was observed only in subjects with oligospermia below 20 X 10(6)/ml and normal basal FSH levels. When basal FSH levels were increased or oligospermia was moderate (greater than 20 X 10(6)/ml); no effect on sperm density was seen. As sperm density increased, FSH levels decreased, suggesting an inhibin effect. Sperm motility was not improved by tamoxifen treatment. In five boys with delayed puberty, tamoxifen treatment appeared to activate the pituitary-gonadal axis and pubertal development.
09-12-2004, 09:06 PM #6
Nolva at 40mg for 1 week then 20mg for 3 more should do the trick
09-13-2004, 12:22 AM #7
I wasnt able to determine if there was a difference between enanthate , cypianate or even propianate. Pretty sure it was the same active compound with a different injectable vehicle solution. all felt the same to me
09-13-2004, 05:11 AM #8
not interested in d-bol, i want to do something that i will be really happy with.
09-13-2004, 05:12 AM #9
09-13-2004, 05:37 AM #10I wasnt able to determine if there was a difference between enanthate , cypianate or even propianate. Pretty sure it was the same active compound with a different injectable vehicle solution. all felt the same to meThat's affirmative. Some "vehicles" which we call esters break down faster than others. In order from short acting to longer acting: prop, enanthate, cypionate.
The different esters can be thought of like different vehicles- but the difference is important..
Shadowman- how did you try todetermine if there was a difference between enanthate , cypianate or even propianate
09-14-2004, 04:48 PM #11
do you think it would be ok if i added m1t or d-bol to the enan, because i have done m1t before, or should my first cycle be a test only? will post full cycle specs by the end of the week.
09-14-2004, 06:35 PM #12
didnt try distinguish really but a noticeable difference was never brought to my attention by my body. I didn't perform a controlled experiment or anything.
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