Thread: Test 400 Truth And Myths ?
09-16-2004, 04:08 PM #1
Test 400 Truth And Myths ?
From my research I know that t4 has a High ALco- content to keep that high of amount of test fresh, and its a combo of prop,enth and cypa. My question is it as bad as IVe heard? I've had numerous people tell me that they have HEARD of people going to the hospital and having the muscle flushed. Not being able to walk for a week after injection. I know your supose to heat it in the micro wave or in warm water to get rid of the alco - content. Or take small injections into various spots to prevent pain. If the proper steps are taken is this stuff as bad as ive heard? I have a source that got me an awesome price so I might just take him up on it.
Anyne with, "ACTUAL" injection experience with T4 I would love to hear your words of wisdom?
THANKS to all that respond!!!
09-16-2004, 04:37 PM #2
Come on guys anyone out there ???
09-16-2004, 04:55 PM #3
09-17-2004, 05:45 PM #4
ok thanks buddy!!
09-17-2004, 05:49 PM #5
Im currentlyu using T400. I mix it with EQ and it is painless.
09-17-2004, 07:26 PM #6
i shot t4 for 8weeks and it hurts like hell 2ml every week
ARE YOU TOUGH ENOUGH???
09-17-2004, 08:12 PM #7
I use T400 over anything else out there, sure it has a sting but in conjunction with Deca or EQ its nothing. My last cycle i ran it at 1200mg a week and **** near exploded on the stuff. I think alot of people have heard about the pain from a select few and a general consensous has been that it hurts too much, well i tend to dissagree, theres nothing wrong with it and i think you will do well on it.
09-17-2004, 09:30 PM #8
T400 would be my last choice. First of I dont like the decanoate ester on Testosterone . It does hurt. And I have heard of some people that really have a hard time with it like you said. When I used it, it would leave a lump for a week. And no other steroid ever does that to me.
I have read that the High concentration of T400 makes it crash in your muscle. Which means it re-crystalized in your muscle. It was also said the higher the concentration the more it has problems with absorbing.
09-17-2004, 09:37 PM #9Originally Posted by Hitman
You cant say for certain he would do well on it. Ive seen people take it that I would have figured it would'nt effect and act like the biggest babys from the stuff.
09-17-2004, 09:46 PM #10
make sure you have nolva handy, that stuff gave me estrogen sides quickly. the injections were uncomfortable but manageable. i might do it again, i do like a high dose with low volume, but there are so many other options available out there.
09-17-2004, 11:04 PM #11Originally Posted by Anhydro78
09-17-2004, 11:49 PM #12
Man im thinking of where Ive seen this. Im gonna look if you want me to. I should be able to find it.
I dont really have a problem with pain from T400. For me it just leaves a lump and makes it feel stiff all the time. But freinds that have taken it act like the stuff cripples them. I had one freind act like he had to pick his leg up to put in the car with his hands. Im not trying to proove you wrong or anything guy. Just some people seem not to be able to handle it.
09-17-2004, 11:56 PM #13
I did have it saved here you go. I know of a Ug lab in china that makes something called ICE that is a 600mg blend of testosterone . That would hurt..
High Mg per ML Roids, What you need to know –
1. Most hormones have a pretty low solubility in oil.
2. The primary ways to increase solubility are to
A) add solvent (BA or EA).
B) Add an ester to the hormone. The longer the ester
the more hormone will fit in the oil at a certain mg
per ml ratio. Conversely, the weight of the ester is
also factored in the total mg per ml ratio, so while
you can fit more hormone in, you are getting less
actual hormone than the mg amount implies. Here are
Ester actual mg/100mg dose
test no ester 100
tren acetate 87
test prop 83
test enanth 72
test cyp 70
test undecan 63
nand phenyl 67
nand deca 64
This means that if your test cyp says 200 mgs per ml
you get an actual 140 mgs of test. The rest of the
weight is the weight of the ester. If that sounds like
a bad deal you need to understand that test no ester
is VERY insoluble in oil without going to very high mg
per ml solvent concentrations.
This brings up the next point; PAIN!
Why do some shots hurt? There are two primary reasons.
One, the solvent ratio is too high. Anything over
about 10% starts to hurt. BA and EA are VERY
inflammatory to the tissues. That’s why you want ONLY
enough to help your oil hold more gear but not so much
that it causes inflammation.
The second reason is that the gear crystallizes in the
depot. This is precisely why water-based suspensions
feel like hammer blows. The water is absorbed FAST,
leaving the gear to crystallize in the tissues = PAIN.
Even gear in oil can do this, here is how it works. If
you use a low ester weight attached to your gear and
make the mg per ml ratio SIGNIFICANTLY higher than the
oil will hold on it's own, what happens is the body
absorbs the solvent faster than the oil/gear and the
gear falls out of the solution and crystallizes in the
depot and WHAM, it hurts like hell. An optimum
solution has just enough solvent to get more gear into
solution than you could otherwise, but not so much
that what I just stated happens. When the ratios are
correct the gear holds in the solution UNTIL the whole
depot is absorbed and very little or no pain is felt.
Just to end this misconception once and for all IT IS
NOT THE VOLUME OF THE OIL THAT CAUSES THE PAIN, IT IS
ONE OF THE CONDITIONS STATED ABOVE. You can shoot 5
cc's of sterile oil and never know you took a shot. It
IS NOT HOW MUCH OIL YOU SHOOT! So why does everyone
search for super high mg per ml ratio gear like it's
the **** holy grail???
What is too high? Well the length of the ester is
really what determines that but most of us here know
the gear that hurts and know we know why. All tests
over 250 mgs per ml hurt, and actually most of the 250
mg tests hurt too. SOOOO many people want there tren
at 150-200 mgs per ml. Tren acetate should be at about
what?? 75 mgs per ml. That is why all the kits are
designed this way. Do you really think it's cheaper
for the kit producers to add MORE oil to their kits
instead of less? One other quick note. Oil is used
because it SLOWS absorption. THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT
YOU WANT IN A STEROID SHOT! Less oil does not promote
the steady state hormone levels achieved with more oil
09-18-2004, 01:25 AM #14
Interesting read, thanks. While i will agree that crystalisation does occur with water based products i will have to say ive never heard or come across that theory happening to oil based gear(not saying your wrong or that it cant happen) would you be able post the original author/origin of your facts? Im being straight up with this , not being a c,unt or anything.
09-18-2004, 11:07 AM #15
Thats the thing just some guy posted it at superior muscle archive with no author or signature. Some guy named Doom posted it. I doubt he wrote it because most people that write even the smallest article or theory usually signs their work. I was just mentioning the info I had read. The article seems to make sence to me.
09-18-2004, 02:22 PM #16New Member
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I Know this post is old but wanted to respond cause I know theres a lot of guys out there crying every time they sit down or get out of a car. Ive expierenced this with qv stan. I shoot 1/4cc T4 everyday with my fina never had any pain this way.
09-18-2004, 02:44 PM #17Originally Posted by gonutz
Ive never thought of useing it in conjunction with fina, what sort of results have you seen?
09-18-2004, 04:46 PM #18
Thanks again guys I appreciate everyones feedback, this has been a delima for a while!!! I understand what everyones is saying about it. But Ive heard so many PROS and Cons about T4 that I doubt everyone!! I actually have a very high pain tolerance, and for some weird reason I enjoy the injection. Ive been getting allergy shots since I was 6 which also have a nasty little sting t00!!!
So my best bet is just to try it and stop F***ing thinking about!!
THANKS AGAIN T4
09-18-2004, 04:58 PM #19New Member
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check your PM bro.
09-18-2004, 05:24 PM #20Member
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T4 is very painful, I was doing 800mgs/wk. Your ass will be on fire. All my guys said I looked too big, but I didnt see it. I thought is was ok at best.
09-19-2004, 01:36 AM #21
If you are the kind of person that tells your self your pussy hurts when you think something is too hard. T400 is a cheap way to cycle. Go for it.. Like I said it wasnt unbearable for me but others act like the biggest babys on it. I personally like the Prop. It seems to be the most androgenic form of Testosterone for me. Test Decanoate being the least androgenic and the least amount of actual hormone. Im a madman on Prop.
09-19-2004, 01:50 AM #22
its good gear but the ba content is fooked in it.....does cause some pain when injected by itself....i injected 1.5cc's into my quad and had problems walking for about 4 days....wasn't unbearable but it was pretty bad...didn't mess up my workouts too bad but it was hell doing legs....just cut it with something and don't inject over .5cc at a time if you haven't cut it.....
remember people that some guys are more sensitive to ba.....
09-19-2004, 02:51 AM #23New Member
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what is the detection time on 400?
09-19-2004, 02:08 PM #24
3 months due to the longer esters.
09-27-2004, 10:07 AM #25
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