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    Question fina,deca,sus and cpyionate

    what do you guys think of a deca fina cypionate and sust cycle for 10 -12 weeks? I'm trying to finish bulking before I start cutting for the summer..let me know what you guys think of this cycle and gimme some recommendations on mgs and whatnot..just curious..thanks fellas....peace...

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    Well, without knowing much about your background, here's what i'd probably do...Actually, any reason for running the sust and the cyp? What dose of test have you run before...

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    yea, like IF said, why not just cyp, and then maybe some prop for the last 2 wks before clomid?

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    the reason for the cypionate is I get it cheap and its american made upjohn depo testosterone cypionate and I have a few bottles left over from my last bulk and I seem to get great results mixing sust and cyp.last time I ran 600 mgs a week of cyp,and 300 of sus..and deca ,well,what can I say,the stuff is amazing for me and always has been.but with the fina I hear I'd get some AMAZING strength gains as well as good lean mass,so I figured I'd get some and see what happens.I'm no newbie bro,but opinions are always welcomed.I've learned more than I could ever have from guys like you who know thier shit.you can never know too much,esopecially when putting huge amounts of hormones in your body..you guys know how that is..right now i'm 213 lbs,i'm 5'9,and 6.4% bodyfat

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    I'm bumping this thread so more people can reply to it..

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    Damn, if you're 6.4%BF after a bulk cycle, where do you plan be after the cutting cycle?

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    when I'm done bulking,i'll be up to like 8% so I like to get back down to about 6% if I can..

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    just go with the cyp. you don't need other test esters.

    500mg/wk cyp 1-10
    400mg/wk tren 3-12
    175mg/wk winny 3-12

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    I don't know about that cycle Evil. Pretty low on the winny and tren , and for a pretty long time. I'd never run winny at less than 350mg/wk, or 50mg ed.

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    i think 1000mg/wk of total steroids is a good moderate cycle, but i guess others have different goals.

    50mg/day of winny makes my elbows very angry...

    the synergystic effects of fina and winny makes the resulting anabolic effect 2x better than using double the dosage of either steroid used alone.

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    Originally posted by Dr.Evil
    just go with the cyp. you don't need other test esters.

    500mg/wk cyp 1-10
    400mg/wk tren 3-12
    175mg/wk winny 3-12
    Why would you recommend 500mg/week on the test when he's run it at 900mg/week before?

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    Here's what I'd do:

    weeks 1-10 test (any or mix) 1000mg/week
    weeks 1-10 Deca 400mg/week or so
    weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg/day
    weeks 7-13 75mg fina evd
    weeks 7-13 50mg winny/evd

    You could even add in some test prop for weeks 11-13 if you wanted...Either way, you can start clomid 3 days after you stop the fina...

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    Originally posted by ironfist


    Why would you recommend 500mg/week on the test when he's run it at 900mg/week before?
    i read his post wrong.

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    Originally posted by ironfist
    Here's what I'd do:

    weeks 1-10 test (any or mix) 1000mg/week
    weeks 1-10 Deca 400mg/week or so
    weeks 1-4 dbol 40mg/day
    weeks 7-13 75mg fina evd
    weeks 7-13 50mg winny/evd

    test, deca, and tren at the same time? androgen receptor competition....

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    Originally posted by Dr.Evil


    test, deca, and tren at the same time? androgen receptor competition....
    Androgen competition is BS...Deca ,test,dbol is one of the most popular cycle and it's the same pretty much as the cycle I gave him...dbol and tren are both strong androgens...I've never had a problem, he should put on plenty of weight...deca is also mildy anabolic as well...

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    dbol binds weakly to the AR. that's why it's a good stack with deca .

    tren and deca both have high affinities for the AR. while they won't cancel each other out, it doesn't make sense to stack them either. you are better off just taking more mg of one or the other.

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    Fina,Deca ,Sust,and Cypionate ??!!!!!(WTF)

    IMO,I'd cherish how your titties look right now before you try something that insane.

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    Originally posted by Kid Shred
    Fina,Deca ,Sust,and Cypionate ??!!!!!(WTF)

    IMO,I'd cherish how your titties look right now before you try something that insane.
    Well. doesn't sounds like he's a rookie and it seems he knows what he's doing...All he needs is liquidex...I haven't heard of anyone getting gyno from AD50 or Fina, and the Deca is an individual thing....Most people are safe up to 500mg/week...I've done 900mg with out problems. I've run them both together and I've even tossed in some AD50's for a few weeks during a similar cycle...

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    Not labeling him as a rookie, just concerned as I've seen ludicrous high-androgen cycles ruin people's physiques.Not to mention the health risks that are elevated with such dosages.

    You've never heard of people getting Gyno from Tren ?
    I've seen ,heard, and read of such conditions with the absence of winny,which was not mentioned in his initial post.Let alone the fact that he wantes to run the Tren for 12 weeks.

    Possibly gyno could be an "individual thing" with Deca , but don't you think the risk of an "individual thing" would be higher stacked with Tren,Cyp,Sust?

    Never been advocate of such dosages, and would never instruct others to be, not trying to flame ,just concerned with the safety of another Iron Brother.

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    Thumbs up

    thanks guys,I appreciate the info.ironfist's cycle is damb near exactly what I wanted to do anyway.as for the rookie thing,I'm definately not.I just picked up some liquidex as well,and got the clomid and nolvadex as well.to kidshred,I thank you for your concern bro.I'm a pretty shreded guy as you are,if thats you in your avatar.I never get really high bodyfat,as we all retain water though from really high dosages of juice..again,thanks guys,I really really appreciate it alot..good lookin out guys..

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    i've heard of guys doing 1000mg/wk on deca and be fine. i've also seen my friend get gyno from 200mg/wk of deca. i've known many to have gotten gyno from 50mg/day ad-50 and one of them got it from *p's ad-50. winny was used in almost all these cases and doesn't seem to help with prog-gyno.

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