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Been unsure for a few months now, :yellowcon adding a test to my cycle of Deca and d'bol for mass.
Was originally planning on using Sus but people keep saying Test E! Then all of a sudden its back To Sus! Need some serious answers form experienced users!!
Sustanon or Enanthate?? :scratch:
Test E
you mean adding some deca and dbol to your test cycle right? i would use the enanthate, longer estered. you can do injections 2 times a week with the enanthate and deca as opposed to eod or however you prefer to shoot the shorter estered sust. lay out your cycle in weeks and let some folks take a look at it to see if you have done your HW.
I'd go with Test E - it really depends on how much you like / don't like sticking yourself
as sust needs to be shot EOD for the prop fraction to be effective, whereas you can get away with shooting Test E EW ( I find E4D better ).
Sust will prob kick in a little earlier, but if the amount of test is the same then either one will give similar results.
I'm natural, but I have researched this as well, and what HOP is saying is true, also, with ENTH it will be easier to control your blood levels... good luck brutha...Quote:
Originally Posted by houseofpain
test e, I am using sust 250 right now with test e and eq, but hate eod injections.
weeks 1-4 dbol 35mg
weeks 1-11 deca 400mg
weeks 1-12 test(sus or enanthate)
PCT
Im getting the feeling test E as it always seems to get the vote, appears to be due to the more complex injection pattern of Sus that sus falls short!! If results are similiar then im all for test E.
Anyone on this forum... can you change my thinking about Sus and the stereotype im gettin for it??
sorry... forgot... thats test at 500mg per week
looks like a pretty good basic cycle to me. i am just not a fan of sust, gotta shoot it eod, the test e will go good on injections with the deca as you can be done with only 2 shots per week. would you prefer to shoot every fourth day or ed?
Whichever you choose I'd run it @ 600mg + EW to deal with any Deca related shutdown.
I think the choice really comes down to wether you can deal with the EOD shots for Sust or not....
if it were me i would run 750 test per week atleast.
well... i dont think i've ever actually enjoyed shootin but ive done it everyday and it literally is a pain in the a.s.s!
So every 4days sounds more comfortable... The negative aspect of Sustanon seems to be that keeping an even blood level is alot more comlex than enanthate!
I think im pretty much sold on Enanthate... cheaper than Sus for me also.... Do you think 12 weeks of test is a good length?
Read the drug profiles:
Just have a look at the 4 different testosterone esters in sust. individually to see what each is like. Then read the single estered enanthate profile. Read the facts for yourself.
Personally, I would keep it simple and use the enanthate. also keeps test levels more stable.
its my first test cycle so i think 750mg might be a jump too high.. done 3 previous cycles and all have been cutting so im new to test.
So in view of the above information, do you still think i should do 750mg? Or atleast at some point take it upto 750mg or kee it a consistent 500mg all the way through??
i guess 500 mg's would be good especially for the first cycle. the only reason it was said to run it higher was b/c of the 400mg's od deca and deca is very potent. keep it stable throughout with whichever dose you choose.
safe... cheers boys
well maybe i'll cut down the deca, i dont really wanna compramise anything though! 300 deca... is that decent?
i can replace it with Eq but ive used it all previous cycles
take the test e, but frontload it at 750mg
Basic, but good!!!
weeks 1-4 dbol 35mg
weeks 1-11 deca 400mg
weeks 1-12 test enanthate 500mg
PCT
no need to frontload with the d-bolQuote:
Originally Posted by Son Of Khadafi
bump
just follow this bro, simple quality cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeB
Dbol is good enough to frontload, besides enanthate is too long of an ester to frontload with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Son Of Khadafi
You dont' think there would be any benefit with front loading test enanthate?Quote:
Originally Posted by sooners04
What would be better is if there is anyone out there that can explain how Sustanons mixture of esters would benifit the user in any way. As far as I know there is no good reason to use that combination of esters.
Testosterone Enanthate gets my vote for you.
Ya i'd have to go with Test E! You can gain 20 pounds just from test by its self! Throw in some D and its just gravy!!!