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    Alright, I give up.

    Alright, here's the deal. I'm a newbie. I'm 27 years old (just turned 27) 5' 8" and 160 lbs (wear a 30 waist.) I use to work out back in highschool, but once I got a good fake ID and could go to the bar, I kinda leaned more twards women and booze instead of continuing to to work out. Anyways, I am now back in the gym, 5 days a week. I do only 1 day of cardio 30 minutes long (sundays) and the rest of the time I am doing a mass building routine. I spend 5 days a week sitting behind a desk (9-5 pm) and for fun I endurance race motorcycles (4-6 hour races) at various race tracks all over the country. More or less, the endurance racing is the only thing in the past that has kept me in a semi decent shape. You would not believe how hard it is to keep a 300 lb. motorcycle going for 3 hours a weekend around road courses. So, that was my only activity. Now, I'm back in the gym, trying to cut up and gain mass, and honestly end up hopefully looking like one of the guys on the cover of muscle and fitness mag. Unfortunately, things like that don't happen overnight. I'm not sure on genetics because I have always been lean and my brother is a "bulk" build, so that kind of goes out the window. I currently am taking the following:

    80g whey protein isolate (Isopure no carb) per day, and another 80 g by regular food
    EAS HMB (just started)
    MRI NO2 (just started)
    Multivitamins
    EAS Phosphagen Elite (just started)
    EAS Cytovytol (just started, during workout)

    So, more or less, I'm taking some of this stuff by the recommendations of others. When I use to work out, glutamine was the good stufff, and creatine was just coming out, but I ended up in a bar before it was available on the shelf everywhere. I have absolutely no idea of any of this crap works, other than protein.
    My biggest problem is that although I have seen very minor gains, I don't know if it's just because I finally got off my ass, or if this crap is actually working. I just started half of it (less than a week) and have no clue if spending $80.00 on a bottle of NO2 is money I just threw down the toilet that I could have bought other things with . I'm far from lazy, and the endurance racing is a wonderful form of cardio, but having chicken legs doesn't help much in life. Over all, I am fairly lean. I have a small spare tire around my waist, but I'm assuming that it arose from my lack of physical activty. These are my goals:

    190 lbs of solid lean muscle mass
    Increase Leg mass, especially calf (chicken legs, seriously)
    low body fat, get rid of spare tire

    Overall, I don't know if it's even a possiblity in a natural way, thus I"m on this forum. Not that I knock the juice, cause I believe anything that works and is beneficial is worth looking into, but maybe I'm just heading in the wrong direction.

    I've spent the last 6 hours, yes 6 full hours reading thread after thread, looking at pictures, and I'm completely stumped. I don't know if I should just give up and and join a "mens health club" instead of a Powerhouse type gym and just work on overall "well being" fitness or if I should continue working hard and trying to gain mass This completely sucks I'm so frustrated with this crap I almost think I'm better off eating cheeto's and sitting on my ass all weekend. I realize it isn't easy and it's a lot of work. I don't have a problem with that, but the "game" has changed so much since the last time I played I'm not sure if I should even show up to compete

    Help

    P.S. Does that NO2 crap work at all?

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    I say "giver dude". eat like a horse, only good food and lift hard. diet is the key. if you figure out a good food plan and work hard the size will come. I dont know about the no2, but you bought it so try it and find out.

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    NO2 is crap, ditch it for some creatine.

    Welcome to the board and back to the gym! Well done on setting goals. This site is addicting and many bros have spent 6 hours or more reading and reading, myself included. Im assuming you mean get up to 190lbs, cuz at youre current 160+190=350, daaaam thats big. Im not saying its not possible, but it would be EXTREMELY difficult. If you lift hard and eat eat eat big you should have no problem gaining 30-40lbs. Bulking and cutting at the same time is almost impossible, but your spare tire will decrease as you start lifting more. Then after you bulk muscle up you can cut excess fat. Look up the supplement and diet forums for a plethora of knowledge.

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    lol.... 350 nah, 190 total

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    You need a good bulking diet. When people quit working out because they arent seeing results, 90% of the time it is their diet that sucks. You can have the best trainers in the world, and have a faulty diet, and not gain $hit. Check out the diet forum, read the stickys and make yourself up a diet rough draft we'll critique.

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    Hmm.....

    Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by AandF6969
    You need a good bulking diet. When people quit working out because they arent seeing results, 90% of the time it is their diet that sucks. You can have the best trainers in the world, and have a faulty diet, and not gain $hit. Check out the diet forum, read the stickys and make yourself up a diet rough draft we'll critique.
    agreeed

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    honestly.. im gonna get flamed for this... but I would say do a cycle... jump start your gains... I don't give a f*ck about sh1t like my "natural" potential... I'll take what I can get how I can get it starting at 14 with pro-hormones!!! It's your call but IMO a lot of people discourage use of them for people that haven't been lifting long because they don't feel that person has earned it... so you do what you gotta do bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
    honestly.. im gonna get flamed for this... but I would say do a cycle... jump start your gains... I don't give a f*ck about sh1t like my "natural" potential... I'll take what I can get how I can get it starting at 14 with pro-hormones!!! It's your call but IMO a lot of people discourage use of them for people that haven't been lifting long because they don't feel that person has earned it... so you do what you gotta do bro.

    Not flaming 100%, but I wouldn't reccomend a cycle yet.It is not about a person earning it, I don't think a guy that has worked out for a year is any more deserving than a noob, it is about getting your easy gains first getting to a platuea and then using an edge. First off you need to eat clean and like a horse. Try creatine and juice, it's cheap and it works. Bust your ass in the gym for a year or so, and research about a cycle. Leave the PH's alone, they are more expensive than gear with less results and more sides. NO2 is junk, if you want a little extra pump try argine, it will do the trick and its cheap. If moto is your thing you will need to do some good research on a cycle, most guys kick in with dbol , but it is going to cause quick water gain which may be hard to compensate on a bike from week to week. There are alot of guys on here that will say jump in, but there are more that have pushed their genetics to the limit and then used a little help. Just remember, even with gear, if you don't do what it takes to keep your gains they will disapear, so learn how your body works first. my .02. SG1

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    Well, I'm more or less going to try a good 6 month schedule without juice, and go from there. I'm going to the grocery store tonight to stock up. Thanks for all the input guys. Hopefully I get where I want to be before I lose patience with it.

    Also, 2 years ago, I crashed and broke my collar bone, 4 ribs, shattered my hip, and also broke a finger. But, that's usually what happens when you slide down concrete for a few hundred feet with a 300 lb. bike ontop of you. Anyways, they put me on some stuff to help me regrow bone quicker after they got done fixing things with titanium parts. I have no idea what it was, but oh man it did work. I had so much energy I could barely control my self. It was prescribed by a rehab specialist, but I have no idea what it was. Any ideas? It didn't seem to have any side effects what so ever, and I was on it for 5 months. I'd like to get my hands on that stuff again

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