keeping gains after gear?

**bubblehead** · 01-31-2006, 04:33 AM

Is there a product out there that you have tried to keep your gains after your gear is done??? eg.... creatine???? what has worked for you ?

**Farhan** · 01-31-2006, 04:35 AM

Its all about the pct(POST CYCLE THEAPY)
Usually we use nolva and clomid
clomid helps keep most of your gains

**bigJJ** · 01-31-2006, 04:43 AM

Proper nutrition and continued dedication to the workouts helps keep gains, but yes, proper PCT is absolutely necessary.

Many have used creatine to help in this regard. But remember, creatine also causes you to hold water. You may continue to look fuller, but the gains stay because of nutrition and lifting!

**hosam4ever** · 01-31-2006, 05:21 AM

u can use clen whith ur pct it works as anti catabolic

**Mighty Joe** · 01-31-2006, 06:43 AM

Keeping the diet in check works for me!

**fitnessNY** · 01-31-2006, 07:23 AM

Yeah, use HCG during your cycle.

**Papi93** · 01-31-2006, 08:23 AM

Clomid 100mg and nolva 20mg are the general recommendation.
You could also use nolva at 40mg, by itself.
These are generally run ED for 4 weeks.

**bubblehead** · 01-31-2006, 08:01 PM

Can I get this Nolva and Clomid at a GNC store if not where can I buy this ???????????

**magicstick2003** · 01-31-2006, 08:09 PM

no clomid and nolva ar not available in a normal store nor will anything in those stores act as a suitable substitute. check ARR for those.
*not ment to hijack what happened with the 300/100/50 pct protocol w/ clomid?

**TADOLFI** · 01-31-2006, 08:09 PM

If you click on the links that appear under these words in your post - that's a good start.

**Defconx3** · 01-31-2006, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by magicstick2003

*not ment to hijack what happened with the 300/100/50 pct protocol w/ clomid?

Nothing wrong with it, its just that most people try to avoid the high side effects associated with the initial front loading dosage of 300mg. I am one of those people.

**fitnessNY** · 01-31-2006, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by magicstick2003

*not ment to hijack what happened with the 300/100/50 pct protocol w/ clomid?

After 2 cycles with the 300/100/50, I now just use 100mg for 30 days, I feel it works much better for me this way and a few others also. I forget which mod suggested this.

**billybob13** · 01-31-2006, 09:12 PM

Just to let you guys know nolvadex is becoming outdated and I recommend using just clomid instead which is all that is really needed following a basic cycle unless your estrogen levels get out of hand then I recommend arimidex which is far more effective then nolva.

**andrelee** · 01-31-2006, 10:08 PM

I have read little bit about hcg , i'm not sure exactly how to use it during a cycle though. How also, how difficult is it to get a hold of and is it verry expensive.

**magicstick2003** · 01-31-2006, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by fitnessNY

After 2 cycles with the 300/100/50, I now just use 100mg for 30 days, I feel it works much better for me this way and a few others also. I forget which mod suggested this.

gotcha... i've been seeing more and more of the new protocol and was curious (i never had any clomid sides). how does the new way work out notice any difference?

**Jayhawk21** · 02-01-2006, 12:10 AM

Clen is anti-catabolic?? One of my bro's took that and shrunk hardcore, yes he cut up, but he lost alot muscle and weight. Is there any studies done about clen's anti-catabolic effect? Maybe my friend wasn't eatin' right. You look shredded in your avatar, I'm not questioning your knowledge. Definitely don't know why anybody would want to use clen after a bulking cycle.. if it was a cutting cycle it would sound fine to me though.

**stupidhippo** · 02-01-2006, 02:36 AM

clen defionetly helps me keep gains and work out harder.. some1 here mentioned the right diet.. can he specify a lil? I believe that calorie restriction in PCT will diminish the gains kept BUT keeping em up will result in increase of fat (to me atleast)

**testosterona** · 02-01-2006, 03:12 AM

i'm currently running clen during PCT for the first time. so far iv held onto 15lbs solid from my 18wkr. also running nolva/clomid at 20/100mgs. the clen also helps keep my energy up during the day. good stuff for PCT imo.