03-10-2002, 07:59 PM #1Senior Member
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Too many different ways to take clomids .. please help confussed
i see so many different dosages and ways to take it but i wanna clear that up right now. How many clomids you take the first day and then after that also How many do you need?And I guess you want to start first day of clomids affter last week on a deca -t-200 cycle right?
03-10-2002, 08:03 PM #2Associate Member
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usually it's around a week to 10 days after last injection of test. take 300 mgs the first day, then 100mgs for 10 days, then 50mgs for 10 days. hope this helps
03-10-2002, 08:24 PM #3
this post about clomid is the best I've ever found. I have no clue as to who wrote it or I'd give proper credit.
Clomid: Frequently Asked Questions
Something I put together that may help some of the new comers out there as well as some of the more experienced.
Question: What is Clomid?
Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen and is generally prescribed by doctors to trigger ovulation in females.
Question: Why Should Bodybuilders use Clomid?
Answer: Almost all anabolic androgenic steroids will cause an inhibition of the bodies own testosterone production. When he comes off the steroids he has no natural test production and no more steroids. The body is left in a state of catabolism (catabolic hormones are high and anabolic hormones are low) and as a result much of the muscle tissue that was gained on the cycle is now going to be lost. Clomid stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of follicle stimulating hormone aud luteinizing hormone occurs. This results in an increase of the body's own testosterone production.
Question: Does Clomid also work as an anti estrogen?
Answer: Clomid is a synthetic estrogen, however it does also work as an anti-estrogen. How does it work? Because it is a weak synthetic estrogen, it will bind to the estrogen receptor (ER) and not cause any problems. At the same time the increase in estrogen from steroids are blocked from attaching to the ER.
Question: How effective is Clomid as an anti-estrogen?
Answer: It is very weak and should not be relied upon if you are going to be using steroids that aromatise at any rapid rate, or if you are pre disposed to gyno. Arimidex , Proviron and Nolvadex will all make better choices for this purpose.
Question: Some say Clomid during a cycle is a waste, is this true?
Answer: Lets first examine what happens when someone is using anabaolic androgenic steroids. When the level of androgens in the body get too high, the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough clomid will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.
Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.
Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol , sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time.
Anadrol /Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca : 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol : 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise : 3 weeks after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 - 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate : 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate : 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate : 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension : 4 - 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Question: What is the most effective way for Clomid therapy.
Answer: Clomid has a long half life and as such there is no need to split up doses throughout the day. I read some where that it was 5 days (any feedback on this). Now if we used sustanon and we start using clomid 3 weeks after our last injection we anticipate that androgen levels are low enough to start sending the correct signals. If androgen levels are still a little high then the normal 50mgs/day of clomid for 1 week is not going to be effective. We need to start at a high enough amount that will work or help even if androgen levels are still a little high. 300mgs on day 1. I know I said don’t split it up due to its long half life but try and split this up 2 tabs 3 times a day. After we have finished this first day we seek to use 100mgs for 10 days and then followed by 50mgs for 10 days.
Question: Do I need to use Clomid for 3 weeks?
Answer: Why don’t you want too? It is very cheap, very effective and can mean the difference between maintaining gains and losing them.
Question: How cheap is Clomid?
Answer: Clomid normally comes in 50mg tablets but also comes in capsule form of 25mgs. A 50mg tablet can be anywhere between 25 cents and $2.50. (15 pence and 75 pence in England).
Question: Do all steroids cause shut down of the hpta.
Answer: Not all steroids do. Everyone is different and you must also take into account how long you have been using a certain steroid and at what dose in order to determine if you need clomid or not. However as the price is so cheap, why risk not using it.
03-10-2002, 08:28 PM #4
I think that was from IG. Not sure but anyway it was a great post.
03-10-2002, 08:42 PM #5
Great freakin post man, very informative.. yet another reason why I love this damn board..
03-10-2002, 09:13 PM #6
ranger start 2 weeks after test 200 and u want to do 300mg/1st day 100mg/10 days and 50mg/10 days
03-10-2002, 09:21 PM #7
just finished a cyc of deca /sus... i am going to start the clomid 3 wks after the last inj, but intill that day, im going to use some dbols, it makes sense to me, correct me if thats a shitty idea. also im starting 2wks on 2wks off clen because i have heard its anti-cat. although i read something that people have little or no beta-2 receptors compared to the animals it was experienced on, but how much could it hurt to try...
03-11-2002, 06:25 AM #8
i dont understand why u want to waste your d-bol and clen like that. D-bol is used to kickstart a cycle so its not gonna give u anymore gains using it for the 3 weeks...as far as clen goes that should be used along with a cycle..not by itself while waiting on post cycle, you will get nothing from that
Last edited by D3m3nt3d; 03-11-2002 at 06:47 AM.
03-11-2002, 08:33 AM #9Senior Member
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ok Im guess the winner of this question is 300mg on day 1 then 100mg next 10 days then 50 mg next 10 days
thanx bro good info too
03-11-2002, 08:56 AM #10
Dizzy, thatnks a bunch for that post. Sums things up better than any other treatise I have seen on Clomid. I have seen most of that regurgitated piecemeal in many different places but that does a great job tying it all together.
Shouldn't this board or web sitre have some place where members can post gems like this for future reference? It might help cut down on a lot of innane newbie questions.
(Mods: if you want soembody to help pick/edit/post gems to a special forum, I'd be willing to volunteer my time to do it, we could use a good knowledge base to point people too...)
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