1st cycle, which one?

**954onone** · 10-24-2004, 06:46 PM

I’ve been reading this board and others for nearly the last year and I finally feel that I’m ready. When I first started to research I was set on Test and D-bol, but now feel that I really don’t want to deal with the water retention. So I then thought I would go with Test and Deca but I’m concerned about the length of time Deca is detectible in the system, and also fell that I’d rather make lean gains. So now I’m stuck on what I should do. Which one you would choose or how and why would you change it?

Test Enanthate 500mg/EW 1-12 weeks
EQ 500mg/EW 1-12 weeks

Or

Test Enanthate 500mg/EW 1-12 weeks
Winny 50mg/ED 9-14 weeks

I realize Test Prop would probably be better for lean gains but I’ve heard the injections are painful and don’t want to have to deal with that on my first cycle. PCT is in order and I’ll have nolva on hand during the cycle.

**thunder20** · 10-24-2004, 07:01 PM

go with the first one, keep your diet clean and you'll love it, but,
1-13 enanthate and 1-12 eq for half life purposes, why not do some prop at the end there so you dont lose to much? like this
1-13 enanthate
1-12 eq
13-15 prop at 100 mgs ed
......just a thought

**GREENMACHINE** · 10-24-2004, 07:05 PM

Ouch every day.

**GREENMACHINE** · 10-24-2004, 07:07 PM

What the half life on prop?

**not2bigyet** · 10-24-2004, 07:07 PM

try here for some ideas on first cycles:

http://www.steroid.com/novicecycle1.php

IMO you might want to keep it simple the first time around to see how your body reacts...

**not2bigyet** · 10-24-2004, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by GREENMACHINE

What the half life on prop?

I believe its somewhere around 36hrs...to keep blood levels consistant it has to be shot ED, although some do EOD with good results...

**954onone** · 10-24-2004, 08:27 PM

Yea, I've read the all those cycles but like I said earlier I'd rahter not take D-bol or Deca , and I want test to be in my cycle so I'd rather not go with just EQ and winny. But I'm pretty sure I'm leaning towards the first one. thunder20, I'll consider throwing in some prop at the end but is it true that the injections are very painful? But maybe by week 13 I'll be a little more use to it.

**AustrianOAK14** · 10-24-2004, 08:35 PM

yeah throw in sum test prop youll like it hardens u up good bra

**Dimes** · 10-25-2004, 01:18 PM

No pain, no gain and I dont really find the injectoions painful, you will feel the pain the days that follow.

**Jackt23** · 10-25-2004, 01:22 PM

well first off....not all prop injections are painfull...most all UG labs make their stuff painless.....but youd have to realize youd need shots ed if not eod....as for the test e...that itself holds water...and deca holds alot....test and eq might be more to your liking for a first cycle...and if anything throw the prop in in the beginning for a jumpstart....your not gonna have the other stuff kick in for atleast 4-6 weeks.

take care

JACKT