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hello!
whats your opinions, thoughts and experiences of IGF 1 is it that god ?? Or is it just overkill to use by an amatur?? have 3 cycles behind me now and am about to start this next week.
1-4 d-bol 50 mg Ed
1-14 EQ 150 mg OED
1-14 sust 250 mg EOD
12-17 50mg anavar ED
12-17 50 mg tren acetate EOD
18-21 pct clomid nolva etc
20-24 IGF ! ( ? )
all comments welcome.
Gives ue your stats bro, height, weight, exp training, bf %. Then we can help.......with that being said i don't like that cycle at all.
how come??Quote:
Originally Posted by big k.l.g
173 cm tall
85 kg ripped ( as my best: 96 kg 6 % BF )
10years traineíngs exp with a gap for 2 years quite resently .. trying to get back in buisnies and to be on stage in a couple of years.
bf now ??
Well not to say it's a bad cycle bro just i would slightly change up some things. I would run some thing like this..( 2 cycle options )
Testosterone enanthate 400 mg E3D / Sustanon 250 mg EOD 1-15 WKS
Trenbolone enanthahe 250 mg E3D / Trenbolone acatate 75 mg ED 1-10 WKS
Boldenone undec 250 mg E3D / Boldenone undec 250 mg E3D 1-14 WKS
Oxanadrolone (var) 50 mg ED / Oxanadrolone (var) 50 mg ED 11-17
Letrozole 1 mg ED / Letrozole 1 mg ED<--- Starting 2-3 wks before cycle.
Nolva 10 mg ED <--- optional but I would use it for lipid control, however it reduces the lertozole by 46% adujust the letro dose if needed.
PCT...clomid, nolva, letrozole.
I know some will disagree with this cycle so if you do please chime in.
well I never used tren before so thats why i start with such low dose- just wanna feel it and see if it fits me.
whats your opinion on IGF 1 to my pct . for keeping / increase the gain from this bulk cyckle.?
You know in the end it's your body we can only guide with opinons and experiences. IMO Trenbolone at 50 mg EOD is not cutting it. I did Trenbolone acetate at 75mg ed + testosterone enanthate at 500mg wk for only 6 wks as a 1st cycle and gained 20 lean solid lbs. No problems i for one belive trenbolone side effects are WAY overrated. It's your call tho bro. As for the IGF-1 i have no exp with it so i can't advise you on it really, try reading up in the gh insulin forum. If i were to use it someday tho i would use it with insulin and gh along with my cycle. I've seen studies which show that GH and IGF-1 work better together than alone. 20-50mcg IGF-1 postwork so it can attach to all the newly produced receptor sites in the muscle from the stress and damage from hard training.
thnx for your time, very kind.
Ok so I should upper the dose on tren. i go for 50mg ED . the last 7 weeks.
how does that sound??
or after reading your posts again im consider change to your recomended cycle.
And what about IGF 1 anyone?
1) how to injekt? any timing to consider? day , night , before bedtime?
2) IM is the only way?
3) does nolvadex lower my IGF 1 in my body??
You can do Sub-Q or IM, but most people prefer IM. The dose can be split in more than one dose daily. Go to the IGF forum to get more info there
I've read IGF-1 should be injected post-workout, yet posts here bros inject it IM in the muscle group pre-workout. About the nolva suppressing IGF levels....don't worry about it. I'm sure it's minimal and won't hinder gains much (if at all) plus the exogenous IGF-1 you will be taking will more than make up for it. Peace out bro hope all goes well with your cycle.
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Originally Posted by LILLEN
Question #2 - shoot it twice a day, 1 in the morning and 1 right
after workouts. By the way don't use slin and IGF1 at once they
maybe lethal if you don't know how to dose them. :lift: