11-07-2004, 11:05 PM #1
Dbol as a supplement? Interesting read!
How to Cycle Dianabol
To create a cycle for dianabol that is based around using it more as a supplement than a steroid , we first need to look at the current trend for cycling dianabol and analyse what is wrong with it. An average cycle of Dianabol is usually structured as 25-40mg split throughout each day for 4-6 weeks, either alone or stacked with other steroids .
Firstly a dose of 25mg or more commonly causes water retention. It is well known that dianabol does aromatise quite easily, and most of the water retention is usually attributed to a build up of excess estrogen. However, it is my belief that initially water retention is caused by the body holding on to water due to the effects of dianabol on the body's mineral balance, in particular the potassium/sodium balance. This coupled with the fact that dianabol cause estrogenic side effects, leads to a lot of water build-up, and as there is little we can do about the change in the bodies mineral balance, the only other thing we can do is try to reduce aromatisation, usually with Nolvadex (tamoxifen ) or other anti-estrogens. This is not the only method though, by reducing the dose, less of the drug will aromatise, which leads to less estrogen and more importantly less water retention. Reducing the drug during a cycle would lead to estrogen levels dropping slowly, so we should start the cycle with a lower dose of 10-20mg each day.
Splitting the dosage when you are using a low dose is virtually pointless, as you will get a much smaller peak of the drug. So in this case it is best to take it in a single dose in the morning (preferably with grapefruit juice). Although this will not prevent suppression of natural testosterone , it may lessen it to a certain degree, as your body will still have lengthy periods later in the day when there is little testosterone circulating, and so it may still produce some.
Now if we look at cycle duration, 4-6 weeks seems too short to have any real effect at a low dose, but how can we use dianabol for longer without placing more risk on our liver? The solution is actually quite simple; by taking weekends off from the drug we will give our livers a break from processing the drug. Due to the short half-life any active substances will be out of our system within 24 hours of your last dose, now this may seem like it will cost you gains, but in actual fact it will cost you little or no losses in the long run as even though there is no active drug in the body the effects are still present i.e. extra intramuscular water, and a more anabolic mineral balance. These effects usually taper off over several days. This method will not however, help your natural testosterone to return from its inhibited state, as this process can take considerably longer. If we take weekends off and use a lower dose, we should in theory be able to use dianabol for 10 weeks with no problems. A simple bit of mathematics can show this point best:
* 6 weeks @25mg each day = 1050mg of Dianabol in total
* 10 weeks with weekends off @15mg each day = 750mg of Dianabol in total
So as you can see, by using this system your liver will actually process less dianabol than in a conventional cycle, add this to the fact that you can make gains for 10 weeks instead of 6, and with fewer side effects, and you get a very solid cycle.
This Cycle Theory can be applied in many different situations, for instance a beginner could use the dianabol on it's own for 10 weeks and gain very well. A more experienced steroid user could use this alongside an injectable cycle for very good gains too, getting the benefit of the initial quick gains of the Dianabol, with the slower but stronger gains of an injectable.
This cycle may seem to go against many of the current trends of dianabol use, but I believe that by using dianabol as a supplement to good training and nutrition you can make very good gains.
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11-07-2004, 11:12 PM #2Anabolic Member
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interesting article. THe only conflicting thing I have read is in regards to the 10-20 mg dose it suggest. While I believe 20 mg is sufficient, I have read that 10 mg does nothing more than suppress natural test. It would be interesting to find out though.
11-08-2004, 12:06 AM #3Originally Posted by aXe
11-08-2004, 12:43 AM #4
it's a very strange idea to me but I'm not close minded to it... maybe you could get away with 20 a day.... for like 7 or 8 weeks... but I think that taking supplements on your days off is really important too...
11-08-2004, 08:07 AM #5
i dont like the idea of taking the weekends off. It's like starting the cycle over every week since it will be out of your system by the time the weekend is over. How can you get any real results with unstable blood levels??? I think it looks like someone half assing it so they can booze on the weekend and not be overly concerened with their liver.... JMO though
11-08-2004, 02:14 PM #6Member
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I thought 10mg first in the mourning when you wake up wouldnt barley supress your natural test at all cause it follows the mourning spike. Though I read only use at that dose is anticatabolic properties and nitrogen retenion. The idea of taking weekends off I think it horrible. Even orals take time to build up in the system, so wouldnt starting back up after a weekend off be counter productive? There goes stable levels of hormone in the blood.
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