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are ther any cycles that you can do that dont involve test? i was thinking about maybe doing a winstrol only, or maybe primobolan or maybe primo and anavar cycle. i want to save the test for later. i am looking to run a mild cycle. any ideas?
if i did run primo and anavar would there be a need for anti e since these dont convert to estrogen? would use nolva and clomid at the end for pct
their are cycles without test. just not to many good ones :lol:
no test = no cycle
ok guys i know the importance of test, but i know that i am not ready for something as strong as test. why do you think i want to run primo and var? i know people personally that have not ran test and got really good results. ex winny only. so what would you guys think of primo and var for a first cycle?
20 yo 200 lbs 4 yrs training 5 10
i am thinking that this mild of a cycle will not shut me down completely so hopefully i will still be producing some natty test.
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Originally Posted by spkmania
That is what i think
Got to have test.
if you're not ready for test, you're not ready for gear. if you do your pct the correct way you won't be shut down completely.
when you say do your pct correct and you wont be shut down COMPLETELY are you talking about the cycle that i am proposing? i was talking about i wouldnt be shut down all the way during the cycle. i have just heard alot of people say to stay away from test right now until the little **** doesent work anymore.
your cycle is a waste of time. if you do a real cycle with the correct pct you will have no problems. looks like you have some researching to do. and who is saying stay away from test?Quote:
Originally Posted by muff-chaser
Well, if you heard that from alot of people it must be true. Oh, alot of people on this board are saying add test. Mexican stand-off.
sust! lol :lol: only joking i won't bother running a cycle with out some kind of test
What do you mean not ready for Test. that is what is recommended for begineer cycles of Test. only
Agreed...Test is the best :lift:Quote:
Originally Posted by mitch428cj
i am so tired of everybody saying test is best, it propably is good but i still think you can make descent gains for a begginer without test in certain instances
bro that should b tellin u something if everyone says test!! obviously u need it in a cycle. if u dont want to gain a lot of weight go natural.Quote:
Originally Posted by muff-chaser
ive heard of bro's running moderate EQ only cycles before with success. it all depends on your goals and the risk you're willing to take.
i'm tired of people tellin' me the world is round! it's flat, d@mn it!Quote:
Originally Posted by muff-chaser