cycle ideas without test?

[muff-chaser]

are ther any cycles that you can do that dont involve test? i was thinking about maybe doing a winstrol only, or maybe primobolan or maybe primo and anavar cycle. i want to save the test for later. i am looking to run a mild cycle. any ideas?

if i did run primo and anavar would there be a need for anti e since these dont convert to estrogen? would use nolva and clomid at the end for pct

[mitch428cj]

their are cycles without test. just not to many good ones

[spkmania]

no test = no cycle

[muff-chaser]

ok guys i know the importance of test, but i know that i am not ready for something as strong as test. why do you think i want to run primo and var? i know people personally that have not ran test and got really good results. ex winny only. so what would you guys think of primo and var for a first cycle?

20 yo 200 lbs 4 yrs training 5 10

[muff-chaser]

i am thinking that this mild of a cycle will not shut me down completely so hopefully i will still be producing some natty test.

[GetinBig]

no test = no cycle

That is what i think

Got to have test.

[spkmania]

if you're not ready for test, you're not ready for gear. if you do your pct the correct way you won't be shut down completely.

[muff-chaser]

when you say do your pct correct and you wont be shut down COMPLETELY are you talking about the cycle that i am proposing? i was talking about i wouldnt be shut down all the way during the cycle. i have just heard alot of people say to stay away from test right now until the little **** doesent work anymore.

[spkmania]

when you say do your pct correct and you wont be shut down COMPLETELY are you talking about the cycle that i am proposing? i was talking about i wouldnt be shut down all the way during the cycle. i have just heard alot of people say to stay away from test right now until the little **** doesent work anymore.

your cycle is a waste of time. if you do a real cycle with the correct pct you will have no problems. looks like you have some researching to do. and who is saying stay away from test?

[Mesomorphyl]

Well, if you heard that from alot of people it must be true. Oh, alot of people on this board are saying add test. Mexican stand-off.

[stocky121]

sust! lol only joking i won't bother running a cycle with out some kind of test

[mitch428cj]

What do you mean not ready for Test. that is what is recommended for begineer cycles of Test. only

[youknowme]

What do you mean not ready for Test. that is what is recommended for begineer cycles of Test. only

Agreed...Test is the best

[muff-chaser]

i am so tired of everybody saying test is best, it propably is good but i still think you can make descent gains for a begginer without test in certain instances

[tycin]

i am so tired of everybody saying test is best, it propably is good but i still think you can make descent gains for a begginer without test in certain instances

bro that should b tellin u something if everyone says test!! obviously u need it in a cycle. if u dont want to gain a lot of weight go natural.

[Fit2bLarge]

ive heard of bro's running moderate EQ only cycles before with success. it all depends on your goals and the risk you're willing to take.

[spkmania]

i am so tired of everybody saying test is best, it propably is good but i still think you can make descent gains for a begginer without test in certain instances

i'm tired of people tellin' me the world is round! it's flat, d@mn it!