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[steady]

This will be my first cycle. I am almost 24. I can't stand the freaking doctors. I have had all the symptoms of low test since i was 19. I got tested first at 20 and my levels were low...and again in 2003. I have low avg. test but they say I'm too young to really be ready for it. It affects all areas of my life.And for goodness sake I refuse to live my life feeling like I'm in a deficit. **** THEM. So after two blood test and two docs i've made the decision to help myself. Presenlty I'm 6'2 215. 22%bf. I have test cyp. proviron and nolvadex . Idealy I'd like to shed at least 5% of my bodyfat during this 8 week period without totally shutting down my HPTA with too much test. I used to be 260lbs of fat ass blob crap. I've worked out for five years and have hit the big plateau, I've lost the weight but the muscles aren't coming and the fat isn't going away anymore. My body won't budge. Here are my results from 2003 test:

FSH serum: 2.6 mIU/mL
LH : 1.5 mIU/ml
Total Testosterone : 268ng/dL

any insight guys?


1) Will an 8 week cycle of 400mg of test cyp cut 5% bodyfat if I'm on a moderate calorie consumption diet? I lift five days a week for an hour everyday. I presently do no cardio. I also still have a bottle of vpx liquid crack as i call it. That stuff helped me tremendously when I was obese.

2) I don't want to blow up huge and then lose my gains. I'm not looking to get huge do you guys understand????? Thanks. I just want to get lean, and if I'm fortunate enough add maybe ten punds of retainable muscle. Intake 6 meals a day with a total of 3500 calories. Will this be enough calories to cut on test or just a bad idea? I am hazy on dieting while on juice..I have been using the macrobolic nutrition ratios to maintain my present stature.

2) Most importantly is there a good chance that this will shut me down to the point where I'm screwed because of my pre existing natty test deficiency?

3) Do I need a drug to get the boys going again God forbid they poop out on me? PLEASE GOD, NO!!!!!!!!Or should a 3 week PCT with proviron and nolvadex be suffecient?


For your time and serious consideration.... thank you thank you thank you and I will keep everyone informed as to how things are going for me.

Here's the actual cycle i was planning:

weeks 1-7 M and TH injections of 200mg with frontload today of 400mg.
week 8 M 200mg as last injection
week 10 start proviron 25mg ed for three weeks
week 11 Tuesday begin nolvadex 30mg ed for three weeks


peace

Mr. banana "Steady"

[Mesomorphyl]

See another doctor. Ask since you are on the low side to see a endocrinologist, they specialize in this matter, tell the doctor you want a second opinion from a specialist. Find out all the symptoms of low test and memorize them and even talk it out act ashamed and depressed a bit about it, the doc will ask these questions and you will be prepared to back him, non-shalountly, into a proper decission

[Clint Torres]

At your age and with your situation I'd say go for it. Cypionate at 500 mg per week should give you some very noticable gains and with proper pct you should be able to keep most of it. However, there are better choices if your concerned about the nads. Winstrol , anavar , masteron , equipoise or primobolan have fewer side effects and will give you some decent gains, especially if pure mass is not what your looking for.

[steady]

I'll be going in for a physical in january. that's the next chance I'd have. The docs tried to extort mucho cash from me by running these other tests where they make me sleep witha strap around my dick at night to test for regular tumescence. And then they wanted to inject it with something too. It was too expensive for me to go back at the time as I was still in college and not rolling in the dough. I'm not exactly rolling in it now either, I did just buy gear, but I will DEFINITELY get another blood test in January and bring it up again.

So you think my cycle dosage, duration and PCT look solid?

[BUYLONGTERM]

Bro, I've had low Test levels since I was a KID. I really noticed when I turned 30, I really had every symptom imagineable. Low sex drive, no motivation, couldn't think clearly, tired, etc.. You name it, I had the symptom. Doing a cycle is only a short term solution to your problem. You need to be on HRT. Most Dr's don't have enough knowledge on the subject. I know more about the subject than my dr. and even though he put me on HRT, he actually said it was time that I see an endo. Thats what you have to do.

[needle]

2) "Most importantly is there a good chance that this will shut me down to the point where I'm screwed because of my pre existing natty test deficiency?"

That question got me thinking. I think you almost need to go back to THE DOC or a ENDO SPECIAL- and tell him what your considering. OR just tell him plain out im going to do it and need pro- guidence while taking it!

Yes you could do test cycle but if i were to do it I would run it 10 to 12 or maybe even 15 weeks! Due to the fact that your trying to lose some body fat. In your case a short cycle will do you no good. Personally you need some other drugs with the test like maybe EQ or whinny with the test!
Im not going to recommend anything for the fact that your not NORMAL.
You should consider talking with some of the MODS, they might be able to help, but you are a special case.
LATER hope it works out-

[steady]

I really want to thank you guys for the input thus far. I mean, I just started this post a few minutes ago and i already have some REAL advice. Thank you. My wife and I just moved to CA. So by some slim shot if any of the mods you know or Docs and endocs you know are in the bay area and might have some more specific advice PLEASE let me know. I' need a doc who actually gives a ****. The urologist I saw in AZ was an arrogant prick who was anything but a good doc. he thought I was just there to get "juice." I guess that's because I was a foot taller than he was and I smelled like aftershave. (And I think he actually enjoyed sticking his finger up my ass during the exam.) I know HRT is essential for me. And I am aware that running one cycle won't fix anything long term. So I'm listening.

[BUYLONGTERM]

Well, again, the best advise I can give is continue to research HRT thearpy, and Testosterone definciency. Study the Pro's and Con's. The more knowledge have, the better off your going to be. Even though my levels were extremely low, my regular Dr. still was undecided about giving me shots. Well, I really think my knowledge on the subject was the turning factor. I explained to him about all the side effects and I was well aware of them. I told him the benefits definitely out weighed the risks. It actually got to the point where again he said, You know much more about this subject and I strongly feel it's time you go see an endo.

[BUYLONGTERM]

Oh, I think once you start Testestorone, You will be a whole new person. It has changed my life!!!!!!


Any questions, please feel free to PM me!!!