new cycle

[oespejel]

Ok I have a lot of questions, but I did a lot of research first.

I would like to do a bulking and cutting cycle starting 2005

For the bulking I have :
D-bol
Test cyp
Deca

All these are vet steroids ( they are cheaper )
I will like to do a short cycle maybe 8 week
Fisrt Question, Is this Enough?

I was thinking of doing this:
Test cyp 750 mgs week 1-8 week
D-bold 40 mgs ed 1-4 week
Deca 400 mgs week 1-6 week

Second Question, What gains can I expect? 10, 15, 20 pound???
I will have a good diet:
2 grams of protein
3 grams of carbs
per pound of boby weight.
I will also add 1cc of vitamin B with every shoot of Test.

For the cutting I have a lot of stuff:

Test prop
Equipose ( Do i have to run this for 12 week to be effective? )
Tren
Winstrol
Clenbuterol
Cynomel

I also have anavar , I know is really good for cutting but i dont know how to put together all this.???

Third Question, should I start right after my bulking cycle???
If I wait, how long should I wait? I was trying to avoid post cycle therapy by jumping into the cutting cycle right away. What do you guys think???

This is what it will looks like:

Equipose 400 mg week 1-12 weeks
Test Prop 75 mg ed 3-12 weeks
Tren 75 mg ed 7-12 weeks
Winstrol 50 mg ed 7-12 weeks
Clenbuterol 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
Cynomel the last 30 days of the cycle.
On the 2 weeks off clen , will use eca stack.

Should I run test prop 2 more week pass equipose?
6 weeks is enough for Tren?
Can I start this cycle by using test cyp at 500 mg at week for the first 8 weeks and then switch to test prop?? ( I hate the test prop, too many injections and the qv is painfull, I have to use 1cc of vitamin b everytime I shoot it )
How can I include anavar to this? Should I take something off the cycle? Please I need all the help that I can get, I want to make this right.

I have HGC, clomid and nolva for my post cycle

A little about myself:
Im 28 years old 5'10", 205 lbs
been training since I was 15.
major improvements on the last six years, when from 150 to 205
Fist cycle:
Susten 250 for 6 weeks
Second cycle:
bulking 12 weeks
test cyp
equipose
Cutting 12 weeks
test prop
winstrol

I try to put as much info as I can.
Thanks in advance for all your help.

[justincredible]

I like the cutter quite a bit. If you've got enough product/$$ maybe you should run the entire cycle for 14 weeks. I'd probably run the prop out a few weeks past the EQ though, and I'd run the Tren longer than 6 weeks...go for 8. Also...I'm not really certain that you're even gonna need the Winny bro. Maybe save it for another cutter sometime. Just my .02

[Dimes]

Do some research that looks pretty bad.. and you did a sustannon cycle for 6 weeks? Thats when it is staring to kick in... all test should be ran 10-12 weeks... well, do some research and good luck.

[Dimes]

By the way I am mostly talking about the bulking one, the cutting one looks ok.

[bullram]

deca for six weeks, do more research bro

[oespejel]

I will do more research on deca
I was tring to keep the cycle short no more than 8 weeks, but it looks like I will have to go longer than that.

What about the other qiuestions what do you guys think??

[Moosepellet]

I agree with Bullram!
Run the deca throughout your bulking and cutting cycle. Expecially the cutting, because your joints are going to dry up, the deca will keep your joints lubed and you will be able to absorb more protein. Protein=Lean Muscle Mass

[Moosepellet]

Atleast 300mg a wk. no more than 600mg

[tycin]

deca starts to kick in at about 5 weeks so i would run it 12 weeks, run the deca and cyp for 12weeks and jumpstart the cycle with 30-40mg dbol /ed for 1st 4 weeks.

but if this is ur 1st cycle i would stick to just cyp or test e at 500mg/week for 12 weeks.

[tycin]

cuttin cycle looks good but maybe up the prop or down the tren , try to keep the test higher.

ya run the prop 2 weeks longer than eq so pct will line up.

if i were u i would run anavar instead of the winny, i personally dont like winny. JMO...

[oespejel]

Ok what about this for the bulking:
Test cyp 750 mgs week 1-8 week
D-bold 40 mgs ed 1-4 week
Deca 400 mgs week 1-12 week
And I jump to the cutting at
Test cyp 750 mgs week 1-10 week
Equipose 400 mgs week 1-12 week
Tren 75 mg ed 7-14 weeks
Anavar 40 mg ed 7-14 weeks
Test Prop 75md ed 13-15 weeks

How that look
I also dont like winny that much, but I read that it stock good with tren

[justincredible]

your bulker looks a lot better than it did. I'm more of a cutter guy myself so I can give you the best advice I can concerning that. Keep in mind that this is all me man. Just My opinions ok. A persons cycle is always going to be debateable to someone else. Is there a perfect cycle??? I don't know? I'll give you what I'd do.

1. If you've got enough product, itmight be good to jump start your cycle for 4 weeks with prop...75mgED is probably ok.
2. I don't think that I'd run the test cyp at 750 while you're cutting...maybe 500?
3. The EQ and Tren stacked together is one of the all time best ways to cut bro. IMO, winny takes a back seat to that dynamic duo. BUT!!! EQ takes a long time to rip you up...I get the best results from it at about 16 weeks. So I don't know if you want to consider extending your cycle by a couple of weeks??
4. Alot of people who have never done tren before will not go with 75mgED on it, more like 100mg EOD, and 8 weeks is ok too. I know people who have stayed on it for longer than 14 weeks like that and had no problem, I myself have never cycled it longer than 12. But it's my favorite!!!
5. Yep, prop at the end is a great move bro...I might add some more later. good luck man.

[oespejel]

thank to all foe all your help
I will post the final cycle and then the results