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    BF before Cylce !!

    I am just reading an article and it says : "Use Testosterone when body fat is on the lower side , not high. using test during time when bf is high means less ability to utilize the drug for mass building.it settles in your fat and remains active .... "


    My question is : What is low BF you need to be before a test cylce ?( 10,9,8,7,6 .... ?)
    What is the best BF before cycling below 10 ?

    thanks

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    You should have low BF levels because adipose tissue/fat cells are the major producers of the aromatase enzyme. When you have an increase in aromatase enzyme, there is also a direct increase in the amount of testosterone converted to estrogen.
    I would say 12% or less is ideal.

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    Now it is much clear

    12% or less is ideal no need to be less than 9 % because i am actually at 9% ?

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    Not really. But the leaner, the better. Unless you are going into an all out mass cycle.

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    so, r u guys saying that I shouldn't start a cuttting cycle right now as I am @ 22 % bf: I know that it high but that is what I wanted to do-PUT on the WEIGHT, and now I am wanting to shed it off by middle of March or so: what do u think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-jag
    so, r u guys saying that I shouldn't start a cuttting cycle right now as I am @ 22 % bf: I know that it high but that is what I wanted to do-PUT on the WEIGHT, and now I am wanting to shed it off by middle of March or so: what do u think?
    WOAH 22% B/F GET SOME CLEN BRO AND LOTS OF WATER AND CARDIO AND DIET

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    yeah I know bro. Sick huh? Well the good thing is is that I have the gear but do I need to take it now or what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-jag
    yeah I know bro. Sick huh? Well the good thing is is that I have the gear but do I need to take it now or what?
    I WOULD BURN FAT FIRST IMO TAKE SOME CLEN BURNS FAT FAST

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    I started my cycle at 19%, have gained 20 pounds in my 1st three weeks, but do wich I would have started a at lower levels since my abs are beginning to disappear, so id say 15% or less.

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    what would say is a good bf% to be at to start a cycle?

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    12-15%

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    well, the good thing is is that I only need to focus right now on getting down 7-10 % from 22 % right? If this is so, then I will have to lose 14-20lbs, right?

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    lose the weight first I would get to the body fat you would like to be first then after the cycle you shouldn't have to cut much and worry about losing your hard earned gains go into your cycle in great shape looking good it will make for a great cycle

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    crunchnpunch, should I take the steroids that I have in order to get ripped? Or should I just order some t3/clen combo off of the arr site(and do u think that this stuff is any goood?)

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    You can drop to 10 or 12% with just diet, cardio and maybe some ECA. That way you can save your money for more goodies later.

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    man, I would love to see those results, but what kinds of cardio and how much? 5 days a week, etc???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-jag
    crunchnpunch, should I take the steroids that I have in order to get ripped? Or should I just order some t3/clen combo off of the arr site(and do u think that this stuff is any goood?)
    Steroids wont get you ripped diet & cardio will wait if you do a cycle now you will be stronger with more size but still fat you wont be happy with the way you look. As for arr products i have know clue. I have done clen and didn't like it bad cramping i will stick with my eca stack as for the t3/clen that is up to you i have found nothing beats hard work though. I would do more research on t3 and clen i dont know much about them so i cant help their

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    do 3-4 days a week in the morning on an empty stomach at 65% of ur max heart rate. for 45-60min. u need to get a good diet goin as well.

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    clen and t3 from ar-r are good stuff, the cramping from clen can b fixed by taking taurine and potassium pills.

    i would lose weight by doin cardio and a good diet b4 anything tho.

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    don't even worry about winstrol being taken either for the first 8 weeks of trying to get ripped?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-jag
    don't even worry about winstrol being taken either for the first 8 weeks of trying to get ripped?
    wut u talkin about

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    winny wont help you just hold less water with it then test but it does nothing to help you get cut if your not cut already

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    bro, I',m not gonna lie. I'm kind of confused right now. do I need to just take eca stacks until I reach around 10 % FIRST< THEN start my cycle of prop,eq,winnie,nolva,etc? Or what? help LOL!!!

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    the only thing that will actually burn fat other than diet and cardio is:clen ,gh,t3,dnp ,tren .

    but at 22% bf u need diet and cardio not drugs

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    thanks crunch: so, I just need to just do cardio eat right and take some eca stacks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crunchnpunch
    winny wont help you just hold less water with it then test but it does nothing to help you get cut if your not cut already
    what? yes winni will make u cut up if u are cut already then u dont need to take winni winni makes u very tight
    and u really made no sense dont give advice when u yourself dont know what ur saying bro

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    do u think that I need to do 5 days a week cardio or 7 or what and how long?

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    juice, that is what I thought as well. I thought that the winnie would help me get to the single digits, then I could do a good cycle after that right?

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    i already told u this bro!!!

    do 3-5 days a week of cardio in the morning on an empty stomach for 45 min at 65%of ur max heat rate. include weights at a low weight and high reps

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    also winny should be taken with test as it will shut ya down.
    winny will harden muscles not help you cut

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    Quote Originally Posted by dive_kid
    also winny should be taken with test as it will shut ya down.
    winny will harden muscles not help you cut
    bro if your muscles get hard and dense then u will cut up if ur muscles get hard ur skin gets tighter thus making u cut

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    tycin has the right idea. **** the drugs and hit the cardio.
    hard work will pay off

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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    bro if your muscles get hard and dense then u will cut up if ur muscles get hard ur skin gets tighter thus making u cut

    at 22% bf winny is usless IMO...

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    thanks tycin I had forgotten u had already posted that. how long in ur opinion will it take to get to aroiund 10-12% bf (as far as weeks are concerned?)

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    you wont show how cut ya are if you got a layer of fat over it.
    you can have wicked abs but cant see them unless bf is low.
    make sence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-jag
    thanks tycin I had forgotten u had already posted that. how long in ur opinion will it take to get to aroiund 10-12% bf (as far as weeks are concerned?)
    thats all on u bro, al depends on how ur diet is and how hard u r willing to go.

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    well, I really know that I have somework to do. hopefully I can stay motivated by u guys to do it. can I get everybodies opinion on how long they think it will take to get down to around 10-12% bf (in weeks?)

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    yeah dive, I understand that. thanks. also, what do u think my carb intake daily should be and how about my fats as well?

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    keep the carbs lower, and low fat. you need some but only the good kind, like in fish.
    keep the protine up. have a read in the diet forum. lots of good info

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    Quote Originally Posted by dive_kid
    you wont show how cut ya are if you got a layer of fat over it.
    you can have wicked abs but cant see them unless bf is low.
    make sence?
    yes makes "SENSE" if u read my other posts it say lose the fat b4 taking any gear what we were talking about was winni in general and cutting

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