Mallet, please read!

**BigGenes** · 11-29-2004, 06:51 PM

I read this on another forum and it contradicts what you say about T3 doses and says close to nothing about T3 PCT. I am somewhat confused and hope that you could enlighten me on this subject. I have read this form of doseing several times on other forums. Let me know what you think bro.

I do not take full credit for the information in this post. I found it on the net and thought it would be very usefull here.

T3 is not a drug that should be taken lightly. It's a
very potent thyroid hormone. Messing with your natural
hormone levels is very dangerous and unpredictable.
The potential for complications is very high, and
abuse can lead to thyroid disease and low thyroid
output not only immediately upon discontinuation, but
also later in life.

There is no such thing as safe use of T3 outside of a
medical setting. There is only "safer" use. Use at
your own risk.

Introduction: What is T3 and what are the side
effects?

This article is pushing 2000 words, so here's a link
for anyone who's interested:
http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbo...roid/index.html

What about T4?

Bodybuilders should not use T4. It's a much weaker
drug designed for long term use in patients with
chronic thyroid disease. 100mcg of T4 corresponds to
25mcg of T3 and offers equivalent thyroid support;
however, this does not translate to equal weight loss
benefits. It has made itself on sources' lists simply
because it is widely available and extremely cheap.

Is T3 catabolic?

It may shock many people to know that T3 is NOT
catabolic per se. Corticosteroids are catabolic drugs
that attack muscle tissue directly; T3 does not. It is
a very potent calorie burner and it does not
discriminate between carbohydrates, protein and fat.
Unlike DNP , it has no protein sparing properties. T3
is also more likely to burn muscle than fat in lean
users (10-12% BF), but this can be said for any
extreme drop in caloric intake and uptake such as
starvation diets (Caloric intake <10 X BW).

Muscle loss can be avoided with the use of anabolic
agents. T3's alleged catabolic properties have become
legendary. Excessive amounts of T3 (more than 75mcg),
will have a very strong calorie burning effect, and
since some bodybuilder use 150 mcg, it's easy to see
why such misinformation has been so prevalent. The
average bodybuilder will not need several grams of
steroids to counter a reasonable dose of T3. There is
no need to use more than 75mcg-100mcg. Going beyond
this dose will cause more harm than good, as massive
doses of steroids need to be used to counter the
muscle loss, further stressing the body for minimal,
if any additional benefits.

I think I've lost 20 lbs of muscle!

T3 can also give your muscles an extremely flat look
and very soft feel. This side effect of extreme
glycogen depletion can have a very profound
psychological impact in bodybuilders. It often feels
and looks like muscle loss when it's simply a lack of
muscle "pump" because of restricted blood flow to that
area and depletion of glycogen stores in muscles.
Generally, carbohydrate loading does not solve this
problem. "Pumping up" (or training for that matter)
brings more blood into the muscles and is a temporary
albeit effective solution. Clenbuterol and certain
steroids can offset the lack of muscle pump because
these drugs tend to "harden up" users by bringing more
blood into to the muscles.

Are steroids absolutely necessary on T3?

This is very dependent on the user. Diet must be
flawless, only reasonable doses should be considered
(50mcg) and the user must know his body to a tee.
Those who don't know what that last statement entails
should not even consider T3. This is a veteran drug
and should not be used by bodybuilders who are new to
the game or do not have a deep understanding of how
there bodies react to certain foods and training
philosophies.

T3 can be used alone or better yet with Clenbuterol
without fear of muscle loss in overly fat people
(20-25% BF). This is not recommended, however, since
these people will generally return to overeating upon
discontinuation of their cycle and may likely end up
with more weight than they started with.

How should I eat on T3?

Protein should be kept at 1.5-2g per lb of bodyweight.
The majority of protein should come from lean meats.
Shakes can be used, but should not be heavily relied
on as they are more likely to be turned into glucose
and used immediately for energy. Caloric reduction
should come from carbs and fat only.

What is T3 used for?

Fat-loss: The main use for T3.

Increase Nutrient Uptake: Not very well known, but
this is a great use for T3. Doses between 6.25-12.5mcg
do not shutdown endogenous thyroid output. T3 at this
dose can be used to add LBM and help in keeping the
fat off. When doses are kept at 6.25-12.5mcg, muscles
are full and rock hard, and energy is through the
roof. At these light doses, it's common for people to
go to the bathroom 5-6 times a day because there
bodies are making more efficient use of the food they
eat.

Can I permanently shutdown my Thyroid?

Simply put, NO, it can't happen. Natural thyroid
production will be completely shutdown for a good
period of time after using T3, but it will eventually
recover. Bruce Kneller posted this study on the
Testosterone website:

N Engl J Med 1975 Oct 2;293(14):681-4
Recovery of pituitary thyrotropic function after
withdrawal of prolonged thyroid-suppression therapy.
Vagenakis AG, Braverman LE, Azizi F, Portinay GI,
Ingbar SH.

The pattern of thyrotropin secretion was analyzed in
seven euthyroid women, before and after withdrawal of
long-term thyroid hormone, by serial measurements of
thyroid 131l uptake, serum thyroxine,
tri-iodothyronine, and thyrotropin concentrations, and
the response to thyrotropin-releasing hormone. During
exogenous hormone administration, 131l uptake was
suppressed, and serum thyrotropin concentrations
before and after administration of
thyrotropin-releasing hormone were undetectable.
After withdrawal of exogenous hormone, thyrotropin
secretory function was transiently impaired, as
indicated by undetectable basal thyrotropin
concentrations together with absence of response to
thyrotropin-releasing hormone, and subsequently by
normal values of basal thyrotropin concentration and
normal responses to releasing hormone while serum
thyroxine and tri-iodothyronine concentrations were
subnormal.
Decreased thyrotropin reserve persisted for two to
five weeks. Detectable values of serum thyrotropin
(less than 1.2 muU per milliliter) and a normal 131l
uptake usually occurred concurrently in two to three
weeks. Serum thyroxine concentration returned to
normal at least four weeks after hormone withdrawal.

Basically, it is extremely important to eat cleanly
and keep up with cardio for at least 4 weeks and up to
6 weeks following a T3 cycle. It's also very important
to ramp down properly and not use any drug that have
an effect on metabolism and thyroid function, i.e.
Clen , Ephedrine, Steroids, DNP, T2…

Calories should be kept in check, even lowered in some
cases, and High Intensity Cardio is a must; at least
20mins, 3times a week. L-Tyrosine can be used at 1-3g
a day to help thyroid function, but its effectiveness
is debatable.

Switching to a higher carb, lower fat and lower
protein diet is crucial in helping your thyroid bounce
back after a cycle. A three-day carb up would be a
good idea following a T3 cycle. This study
demonstrates how important carbohydrates are for
normal thyroid function. (Note: Some people seem to
think of carbs as Lucky Charms and toast when there
are far better carb choices that won't make you look
like the Michelin Man.)

Dietary-induced alterations in thyroid hormone
metabolism during overnutrition.
Danforth E Jr, Horton ES, O'Connell M, Sims EA, Burger
AG, Ingbar SH, Braverman L, Vagenakis AG.

Diet-induced alterations in thyroid hormone
concentrations have been found in studies of long-term
(7 mo) overfeeding in man (the Vermont Study). In
these studies of weight gain in normal weight
volunteers, increased calories were required to
maintain weight after gain over and above that
predicted from their increased size. This was
associated with increased concentrations of
triiodothyronine (T3). No change in the caloric
requirement to maintain weight or concentrations of T3
was found after long-term (3 mo) fat overfeeding. In
studies of short-term overfeeding (3 wk) the serum
concentrations of T3 and its metabolic clearance were
increased, resulting in a marked increase in the
production rate of T3 irrespective of the composition
of the diet overfed (carbohydrate 29.6 +/- 2.1 to 54.0
+/- 3.3, fat 28.2 +/- 3.7 to 49.1 +/- 3.4, and protein
31.2 +/- 2.1 to 53.2 +/- 3.7 microgram/d per 70 kg).
Thyroxine production was unaltered by overfeeding
(93.7 +/- 6.5 vs. 89.2 +/- 4.9 microgram/d per 70 kg).
It is still speculative whether these dietary-induced
alterations in thyroid hormone metabolism are
responsible for the simultaneously increased
expenditure of energy in these subjects and therefore
might represent an important physiological adaptation
in times of caloric affluence. During the
weight-maintenance phases of the long-term overfeeding
studies, concentrations of T3 were increased when
carbohydrate was isocalorically substituted for fat in
the diet. In short-term studies the peripheral
concentrations of T3 and reverse T3 found during
fasting were mimicked in direction, if not in degree,
with equal or hypocaloric diets restricted in
carbohydrate were fed. It is apparent from these
studies that the caloric content as well as the
composition of the diet, specifically, the
carbohydrate content, can be important factors in
regulating the peripheral metabolism of thyroid
hormones.

A post cycle crash is inevitable; this is the time
when your diet really matters.

So how do I cycle this stuff?

T3/Clen/Anavar Cycle

Anavar is the single best steroid to stack with T3.
Its anti catabolic properties are unmatched and it
will not shut you down. There's nothing like
simultaneous sex hormone and thyroid hormone shutdown;
I bet it feels great. Primobolan at 200mg a week would
be a good substitute since it doesn't shut you down.
Dbol at 10-15mg taken in the morning can also be used
but Arimidex must be included with the Dbol. T3
increases the amount of beta-3-adregenic receptors (by
500%! in white adipose tissue, i.e. the fat that
covers muscle. Since clen exerts most of its effect on
the same receptors; the combination with T3 would
yield quite a strong synergistic effect. T3/Clen may
be too much for the heart in some people.

T3:

12.5mcg for 5-7 days (optional but recommended)

37.5mcg for 5 days
75mcg for 15 days
50mcg for 5 days
37.5mcg for 5 days
25mcg for 5 days
12.5 mcg for 5 days
6.25mcg for 5-7 days

Clen:

30 days: 60-120mcg ED. Use clen from the first 37.5mcg
dose to the last 25mcg dose. Ketotifen will make you
more sensitive to clenbuterol so doses should be
adjust accordingly.

Ketotifen:

Stacked with Clenbuterol, 2mg ED. This drug may not be
an option for some people since it can make them
extremely hungry. If this is the case, Clen should be
used 2 weeks on 2 weeks off.

Anavar:

Oxandrin;

15mg ED with 37.5mcg of T3,
25mg ED with 75mcg of T3,
20mg ED with 50mcg of T3.

Here's a more sensitive approach that can be used
between cycles since it doesn't include AS:

BigAndy69's T3 Cycle:

The cycle can actually be used to add muscle mass or
drop body fat depending on caloric intake. For gaining
muscle mass, the Yohimbine and Anastrozole are not
necessary.

W1-W4:

T3: 12.5mg ED
Clen: 60-100mcg ED
Ketotifen: 2mg ED
Anastrozole: 0.5mg ED
Yohimbine: 10-15mg ED (maybe too much to handle in
some)

Carb/Pro/Fat:

20-30/50-60/20

ALA: 1500mg ED
Taurine: 3g ED

W5:

T3: 6.25mg ED

L-Tyrosine: 1-2g ED
ALA: 2500mg ED
Taurine: 3g ED

Carb/Pro/Fat:

50-60/20-30/20

(High Intensity Cardio)

W6:

ALA: 1500mg ED

Carb/Pro/Fat:

40/40/20

(High Intensity Cardio)

BigAndy69's T3 Post Cycle Therapy (4-6 weeks):

Initial 3 day carb up:

Carbs: 1.75g X BW
Protein: 0.75g X BW
Fat: 0.25g X BW

Supplements:

L-Tyrosine: 1-3g ED
ALA: 1500mg ED
Flaxseed oil + Fish oil: 20g total ED

Diet: >50% Carbs/ 30% Protein/ <20% Fat, calories at
maintenance (+ or - 12 X BW)

High intensity cardio: 75-80% of Max Heart Rate; 15-20
min 3-4 times a week.

No Steroids, Ephedrine, Clen, T2, DNP, or anything
that has an effect on metabolism. Moderate doses of
caffeine can be used before cardio.

Anything Else I should know?

T3 should be taken on an empty stomach, in the
morning. If more than 50mcg is being taken, then it
should be split through the day.

**Jeremy34** · 11-30-2004, 01:47 AM

BigGenes and I came across this earlier....I would really like some enlightenment on this subject as well.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 11-30-2004, 04:26 AM

Short answer:

Some of what Mallet says is correct, some is incorrect. That holds true for this article as well.

**100%NATURAL-theGH** · 11-30-2004, 06:09 AM

I wish that God would write a book on steroids and the like and publish it for us.... that way there would be no more guessing... theorizing... misleading.. or conflicting information available. I highly respect Mallet... the guy knows a ton about thyroid function but unfortunately all of us (including him) have to go off of information given to us from some lab that we never saw... so in the end we just make educated guesses at what SHOULD happen and dive right in.... **** I love being compulsive!