next cycle any imput?

[dive_kid]

lean and hard is what Im after so I was thinking:
week 1 to 14 100mg prop ed.
week 1 to 12 75mg tren ed.
week 9 to 14 50mg winni ed.
b-12 & b-6 200mg & nolva 20mg all the way through
clomid and nolva pct.

2 questions:
1, how much b-12 to use?
2, how long after prop do ya start pct?
I am 27, 5'8" 218lbs at around 13/14%bf. this will be cycle #3
past experience with Test E Test cyp deca and winni
so let it fly guys..........what do ya all think

[JohnnyB]

Go with

1-14 100mg prop eod
1-14 100mg fina eod
9-14 50mg ed
1-14 300-500iu hcg e3-5d

Your diet is going to be key here, you need to get down t 10% or less of b/f to get that hard look

JohnnyB

[Mr. Sparkle]

Go with

1-14 100mg prop eod
1-14 100mg fina eod
9-14 50mg ed
1-14 300-500iu hcg e3-5d

Your diet is going to be key here, you need to get down t 10% or less of b/f to get that hard look

JohnnyB

Not to sound like a dick.... but what he has planned out is perfect IMO. With EOD the levels are not consistant. Plus more test than tren is good. But I do agree with the HCG
500mcg of B12 ED
And start PCT 3 days after last prop shot.
Oh and make sure you drink that winny...

[dive_kid]

do you all think hcg is really important? I cant seem to get it.
is the cycle relatively safe with out it?

[Mr. Sparkle]

do you all think hcg is really important? I cant seem to get it.
is the cycle relatively safe with out it?

It will just make PCT that much easier. Try to get it if you can... even if its half way through the cycle its still good to use

[dive_kid]

and if I cant get ? any thig else I could use.
my guy dosent and probaly cant get it.
if not should I scrap the cycle and do something else?

[Mr. Sparkle]

No its not contingent upon compounds used. Just the fact that you are on a cycle... If you cant get it its not that big of a deal. I bet 90% of members do not use it. I use it and will never cylce without it. Ask around, it should be fairly easy to get....

[dive_kid]

well, I figure I will give er. I plan to start next week so I will keep ya all posted on the results.
thanks sparkel, and others........this is a great place to learn

[Mr. Sparkle]

Hey bro we are all here to learn, Good luck on that cycle!! BTW are you doing the one you posted up?

[dive_kid]

that is the plan.......unless some one gives me reason not to.
cant wait.............. this is going to be the best time ever

[Mr. Sparkle]

b/c you cant get HCG .... run 4g of trib ED. Stuff works great

[dive_kid]

all the way or just pct?

[Mr. Sparkle]

no all the way, and PCT too. And actually a month after...

[dive_kid]

thanks bro.

[bignatt]

Running trib at 4g a day is supposed to prevent testicular atrophy isnt that true?

[Mr. Sparkle]

It will help.... not as good as HCG ... but way better than not

[Moosepellet]

I wouldn't worry about the B-12, 200mg of B-6 should get the job done.

[dive_kid]

b-12 is for energy and appatite also to help cut down the prop pain if it does indeed hurt