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    Ripping/Strength cycle

    So I am going to do another cycle and it is strickly going to be for losing weight and getting really ripped. Its going to be a like cycle and I am not nervous about it not being enough because I am depending mostly on cardio and diet. I am going to do anavar 30 mg a day for 8 weeks and winstrol weeks 4-8 at 20 mg a day. I hate clomid and hope to skip it this cycle, was going to use some OTC to bring test levels up but I am thinking maybe I should do 3 weeks of clomid. Does everyone truly believe that clomid is a must with a light cycle like this.

    This is my first post in awhile

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    anavar 30-40mg 8 wk
    winstrol 20 mg 4-8 wk
    Clen 2 wks eca 2 wks

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    I would use clomid myself bro.. JMO

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    anavar at least 40mg, winny bump it up to at least 30mg. but if that is you in the avatar you should go 60mg var 8 weeks and 50mg winny last 6 weeks. clomid at 50mg ed for 2 weeks with trib and tongkat would be decent for recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
    anavar at least 40mg, winny bump it up to at least 30mg. but if that is you in the avatar you should go 60mg var 8 weeks and 50mg winny last 6 weeks. clomid at 50mg ed for 2 weeks with trib and tongkat would be decent for recovery.
    High Dosages are overrated.

    I have used both winny and anavar and make great gains with light dosages.

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    2 17AA steriods in the same cycle at the same time is not a good idea.
    I'd pick one or the other and go with that and some test prop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBaraso
    2 17AA steriods in the same cycle at the same time is not a good idea.
    I'd pick one or the other and go with that and some test prop.
    Baraso whats up kid. AT light dosages whats the difference between say 60 mg anavar or 30 and 20 of anavar and winny. There both 17 aa but it would be the same dose, its not like I am doing 50 and 60 of each.

    I have done dbol and winny together with no complications-I did light dosages, I had awesome results with that cycle as well
    Thanks

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    chinups, it looks like your right arm is way bigger than your left. Do you work that arm out more...LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
    chinups, it looks like your right arm is way bigger than your left. Do you work that arm out more...LOL
    I have before and afters of a dbol .winny cycle that most would consider even a cycle care to share your pics. FYI-Last low dose test cycle I was using the 150 dumbells for 5 and 6 so come strong or just monitor my post cause your obviously acting like a child here go bother someone else

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinups
    I have before and afters of a dbol.winny cycle that most would consider even a cycle care to share your pics. FYI-Last low dose test cycle I was using the 150 dumbells for 5 and 6 so come strong or just monitor my post cause your obviously acting like a child here go bother someone else
    testy testy, well your not having any of that though. so maybe clomid is not the best thing for you (please do not try tren ), i mean to say b1tchy b1tchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl
    testy testy, well your not having any of that though. so maybe clomid is not the best thing for you (please do not try tren ), i mean to say b1tchy b1tchy.

    OK SORRY!!!

    Lets keep it business...Your totally right with the clomid I know I need it but I hate it just wanted to ask some experienced bros if I could skip it

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    The clen protocol you plan to use is wrong. Do a search for benadryl. I'm sure Mesomorphyl is only playing with you, no need to get hostile.

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    I plan on doing weeks 1 and 2 clen weeks 3 and 4 eca 5 and 6 clen 7 and 8 eca then post cycle therpay with 2 more weeks clen.

    No Good ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinups
    OK SORRY!!!

    Lets keep it business...Your totally right with the clomid I know I need it but I hate it just wanted to ask some experienced bros if I could skip it
    If your not going to use clomid atleast use nolva and some trib.
    http://www.basskilleronline.com/nolvadex_vs_clomid.html

    I'd still op for test prop/var cycle over the winny/var anyday.

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    Sounds as if you already know the answers to everything, or are just looking for what you want to hear, as all the advice you were given you immediately counter.



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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleCat
    Sounds as if you already know the answers to everything, or are just looking for what you want to hear, as all the advice you were given you immediately counter.



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    Its a discussion board..I am trying to discuss. I am sharing my opinions with others, as far as my little rant I was responding to someone who came at me.

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    8 weeks even at low doses will inhibit you somewhat, maybe go for nolva-trib-tongkat ali. I am finishing my 5th cycle pct clomid-clen -tongkat ali. Clen I am continuing to run without stopping for 6 weeks. On week three and six I am taking 50mg benadryl every night to clear receptors (anithistamine like ketofin or ketitofen (sp?))

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinups
    Its a discussion board..I am trying to discuss. I am sharing my opinions with others, as far as my little rant I was responding to someone who came at me.
    man I was just saying your right arm looks bigger, mine does too, and I have a wife!

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    I have to research this benadryl thing, I get benadryl for like 60%..

    I am prob going to def do clomid, it helped everytime I did cycle. I am just bitch with clomid

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    Quote Originally Posted by chinups
    Its a discussion board..I am trying to discuss. I am sharing my opinions with others, as far as my little rant I was responding to someone who came at me.
    Calm down bro, it was just an observation. No need to get your panties in a bunch.




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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleCat
    Calm down bro, it was just an observation. No need to get your panties in a bunch.




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    Swole-Any opinions on the cycle?? I know you would agree with me that I feel cardio and diet are first and steroids second.

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    I'd have to say that MBaraso has some good advice!

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    The picture looks like he's on a little bit of an angle. Hence the differentiating biceps

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    i'm with the prop/winny (that is if you are already at a decently low fb- no sense in doing anything like that if youre higher than 15% or so)
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    but either way use clomid- anything you run is going to shut you down or like mentioned nolva/trib

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    What is the full name of that tengat sh*t

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    Tongkat ali / Eurycoma Longifolia / Long Jack

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    ah hah thank you duckman

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    Do you have any links to any studies with it? theres not much about it on these boards

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    Quote Originally Posted by bignatt
    Do you have any links to any studies with it? theres not much about it on these boards
    not true, hit search this forum and type tongkat then do another on long jack. all over the place.

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    Alot of the studies I've seen were done by people with links to the sale of Tongkat....
    Still, it works for me.

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    cool a normal dose around 600mg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bignatt
    cool a normal dose around 600mg?
    well I use the 100:1 extract and 80mgX3 is 2.4grams. Anyone else have any suggestions? 240mg of extract same as 2.4g of non-extract.
    Last edited by Mesomorphyl; 12-02-2004 at 01:33 PM.

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    where did you purchase that?

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    also 2.4 grams would be over 2000mg wouldnt it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bignatt
    also 2.4 grams would be over 2000mg wouldnt it?
    search the web for long jack or tongkat ali, and yes 2grams=2000mg ( sorry for this... hence the milli in milligram. )

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    so you take that much a day?

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    Hey guys, I know that everyone is talking about the winnie/var thing but couldn't one just use clen , tren and some t3 just if they wanted to ge their bf down to around 10-12 % and then start maybe the other cycles?

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    no you need test as a base so your sex drive does not diminish

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    so, still throw in (what) with the aboves and how much would u consider doing for let's say 10 weeks? sorry for the not knowing to much but this is all kind of new to me. I mean I have done just regular test before but nothing real serious just curious as to what u guys think of the above.

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    if you want to take tren you have to take test with it

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    when speaking of test, would winstrol b considered to take with it or not a good idea? if so, do i take t3 and clen along with them just trying to get bf down to around 10-12 right now. my diet and cardio are very good right now and I know it will take some time to to work but I was just thinking since I had the aboves on hand already, would I b smart to take them and if so, how much on a 10 week cycle? thanks man for everything so far!

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