MY first cycle I did qv cip 200 2 bttles and i have great gains off off that like 24 lbs i think well around there but then 2nd one i did the typicall dbol sptest and deca i am on my way to the third but mind you i started at 130lbs now i am 175 lbs but i habve been off for about 9 months i was thinking of doing another sptest and dbol i wnat to be 190lbs or more. should I stick with that or go back to the cyp I mean i go greta gains off of both but so outside advice would help mike23