Which test is best with Deca?

[9000rpm]

I'm curious which test works best while taking deca ? (cyp, ethanate, etc)
Here is my cycle that I'll be starting in mid to late Dec.

Week 1 thru 10 - Deca @ 300mg/week
Week 1 thru 12 - Test Cyp @ 200mg/week
Week 4 thru 12 - Dbol @ 20mg/day

PCT
Week 14 - HCG @ 6000iu
Week 15 - HCG @ 5000iu

Critiques are welcomed. Also, should I throw in some clomid or nolva in the PCT since the Deca promotes a lot of estrogen?

Thanks in advance.

[spywizard]

I'm curious which test works best while taking deca ? Here is my cycle that I'll be starting in mid to late Dec.

Week 1 thru 10 - Deca @ 300mg/week
Week 1 thru 12 - Test Cyp @ 200mg/week
Week 4 thru 12 - Dbol @ 20mg/day

PCT
Week 14 - HCG @ 6000iu
Week 15 - HCG @ 5000iu

Critiques are welcomed. Also, should I throw in some clomid or nolva in the PCT since the Deca promotes a lot of estrogen?

Thanks in advance.

um....... no...............

400-500 test..

300mg deca ok..

run the dbol 1-4

and

hcg..

500-1000 iu

week 3-12 2x a week..

that would be better..

[fitnessguy]

um....... no...............

400-500 test..

300mg deca ok..

run the dbol 1-4

and

hcg ..

500-1000 iu

week 3-12 2x a week..

that would be better..

dammit you beat me to it.
not sure about the hcg, don't think you need it though

[juiceinthehood]

hcg is not for pct clomid is hcg is used during cycle
this is better
weeks 1-4 dbol 20mg ed
weeks 1-11 deca 150mg 2x a wk. (with bromo)
weeks 1-12 test cyp 200mg 2x a wk.
weeks 1-12 letro .5 ed
weeks 13-16 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 13-15 clomid 100mg ed

by the way is this your cycle

[Iowa]

I'm curious which test works best while taking deca ? (cyp, ethanate, etc)
Here is my cycle that I'll be starting in mid to late Dec.

Week 1 thru 10 - Deca @ 300mg/week
Week 1 thru 12 - Test Cyp @ 200mg/week
Week 4 thru 12 - Dbol @ 20mg/day

PCT
Week 14 - HCG @ 6000iu
Week 15 - HCG @ 5000iu

Critiques are welcomed. Also, should I throw in some clomid or nolva in the PCT since the Deca promotes a lot of estrogen?

Thanks in advance.

with deca, I would use cyp, enan, or a test blend
with eq, I would use prop
You need to get your test and deca dosages fixed, the test should be higher than the deca. I dont think youll need HCG for that cycle too BTW(it shouldnt be in PCT anyways), and you definately need clomid.

[fitnessguy]

not that familiar with hcg , but wouldn't you still need nolva and clomid??
*edit* and bromo or b-6

[9000rpm]

Why run HCG in week 3-12? Isn't your testes pretty much shut down anyway? As for the dosages, I like the lower doses myself. I'm only 5'5" and my weight is always between 170 to 180. I don't think 500mg of test is needed for someone my size.

But you suggest front loading the Dbol ?

[fitnessguy]

Why run HCG in week 3-12? Isn't your testes pretty much shut down anyway? As for the dosages, I like the lower doses myself. I'm only 5'5" and my weight is always between 170 to 180. I don't think 500mg of test is needed for someone my size.

But you suggest front loading the Dbol?

more of a kickstart until the test kicks in

[9000rpm]

hcg is not for pct clomid is hcg is used during cycle
this is better
weeks 1-4 dbol 20mg ed
weeks 1-11 deca 150mg 2x a wk. (with bromo)
weeks 1-12 test cyp 200mg 2x a wk.
weeks 1-12 letro .5 ed
weeks 13-16 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 13-15 clomid 100mg ed

by the way is this your cycle

Thanks for the help. I always thought HCG wasn't used until pct. My mistake.

I think I could try test @ 400mg/week. I was planning on spliting up the injections, spread out is always smarter in my opinion.

Thanks guys.

[Dimes]

Yes the dbol is use to jumpstart while the test and deca kicks in.

[juiceinthehood]

Thanks for the help. I always thought HCG wasn't used until pct. My mistake.

I think I could try test @ 400mg/week. I was planning on spliting up the injections, spread out is always smarter in my opinion.

Thanks guys.

test is 200mg twice a wk. so 400mg a wk.
deca is 150mg twice a wk. so 300mg a wk.

[9000rpm]

the test should be higher than the deca. I dont think youll need HCG for that cycle too BTW(it shouldnt be in PCT anyways), and you definately need clomid.

I'm guessing that keeping the test higher than the deca is to offset the increased estrogen levels from deca?

I wan't to be particularly carefull to avoid gyno. I'm very prone to it, but I've never done deca and I have been wanting to try it.

[fitnessguy]

Why run HCG in week 3-12? Isn't your testes pretty much shut down anyway? As for the dosages, I like the lower doses myself. I'm only 5'5" and my weight is always between 170 to 180. I don't think 500mg of test is needed for someone my size.

But you suggest front loading the Dbol?

with 300mg of deca , i would go with at least 400mg of test...unless you don't care about getting a wood.

[9000rpm]

Yes the dbol is use to jumpstart while the test and deca kicks in.

Would the dbol be ok to take all the way into week 8 or 10? Or is it just a waste of gear? I'm just trying to hit my muscles at all angles. I've only done oral primo and andriol in the past.

[9000rpm]

with 300mg of deca , i would go with at least 400mg of test...unless you don't care about getting a wood.

I forgot about that. My wife wouldn't like that very much at all. Thanks, I'll definetely re-work my cycle a little to incorporate this input.

[fitnessguy]

ok i'm not the fastest typer in the world

[juiceinthehood]

no use dbol to jumpstart the cycle weeks 1-4 anymore is a waste imo it will be all water weight

[fitnessguy]

I'm guessing that keeping the test higher than the deca is to offset the increased estrogen levels from deca?

I wan't to be particularly carefull to avoid gyno. I'm very prone to it, but I've never done deca and I have been wanting to try it.

deca increases progesterone levels. that's why you need bromo or b-6

[9000rpm]

no use dbol to jumpstart the cycle weeks 1-4 anymore is a waste imo it will be all water weight

Ok, thanks.

I have been reading non stop for at least a month now, and I still have lots to learn. I can't understand why anyone would go into a cycle with no knowlege at all.

[fitnessguy]

no use dbol to jumpstart the cycle weeks 1-4 anymore is a waste imo it will be all water weight

IMHO, i think d-bol is a very good jumpstart if you can get it cheap.
yes it is mostly water weight, but for adding mass that could be good.
my strength shot up quick also...

propionate would be another option...

[juiceinthehood]

Ok, thanks.

I have been reading non stop for at least a month now, and I still have lots to learn. I can't understand why anyone would go into a cycle with no knowlege at all.

exactly right ur doing it the way
education first then cycles

[juiceinthehood]

yes but u will lose most all ur games off dbol when u stop it

[fitnessguy]

yes but u will lose most all ur games off dbol when u stop it

me or my roommate didn't. everyone's different though.
Equipoise didn't do it for me.

[imann]

You always want to run more test than deca , cyp and enth. are virtually identical, it is a matter of personal preference.Here are their respective chemical structures;
Enanthate : Chemical Structure C7H14O2.

Also referred to as heptanoic acid; enanthic acid; enanthylic acid; heptylic acid; heptoic acid; Oenanthylic acid; Oenanthic acid. Enanthate is one of the most prominent esters used in steroid manufacture (most commonly seen with testosterone but is also used in other compounds like Primobolan Depot). Enanthate will release a steady (yet fluctuating as all esters are) level of hormone for approximately 10-14 days. Although in medicine enanthate compounds are often injected on a bi-weekly or monthly basis, athletes will inject at least weekly to help maintain a uniform blood level.

Cypionate : Chemical Structure C8H14O2.

Also referred to as Cyclopentylpropionic acid, cyclopentylpropionate. Cypionate is a very popular ester here in the U.S., although it is scarcely found outside this region. Its release duration is almost identical to enanthate (10-14 days), and the two are likewise thought to be interchangeable in U.S. medicine. Althletes commonly hold the belief than cypionate is more powerful than enanthate, although realistically there is little difference between the two. The enanthate ester is in fact slightly smaller than cypionate, and it therefore releases a small (perhaps a few milligrams) amount of steroid more in comparison.

Hope these help your decision making process.

[9000rpm]

Hope these help your decision making process.

They sure did. I still have so much learning to do. Thanks guys.