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    Question critique: Second Cycle

    Hey bros,
    Some background info first. I did one cycle before and it was great. I am setting at 186lbs 5'10 right now with about 10-11% BF. I tried to do another cycle of Sustanon and Fina but that didn't go very well as I got acne like crazy from the Fina that I had to stop in week 3. I didn't do any PCT it was only 3 weeks and I was ok. I started my Accutane treatment, now the acne is clear but I am still on accutane. I wanna start another cycle though, is it a good idea to cycle with accutane? I'll take Milk Thistle and what not to help.

    Anyways, here is my cycle, feel free to critique it:

    Week 1-8 Test E 700mg/week (350mg 2x a week)
    Week 1-8 Deca 400mg/week (200mg 2x a week)
    Week 1-6 DBol @ 35mg/day
    Week 5-8 Winny @50mg/day
    Week 9-14 Test E 800mg/week
    Week 9-12 Deca 500mg/week
    Week 9-14 Winny @75mg/day
    Accutane 80mg/day (Doctor Prescribed)

    Proper PCT and all that stuff at the end. Let me know what you think.
    Last edited by TheGreatOne; 12-08-2004 at 12:42 AM.

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    I would watch your liver with all those orals and also because you have the accutane in there and no need to taper your doses up just pick a solid dose you want to run also i would run nolva at 10mg/day

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    Thanks bro.
    Anyone else can help?

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    Definetly run nolva ED, also I would run the D-bol at 40 mg/day four weeks 1-4,and also run your test levels constant thru out the cycle as well as your deca (pick 1 of your 2 listed doseages and stick with that). the more consistent levels will lessen sides such as acne,etc. Also the shorter time on d-bol=less liver toxicity. oh yeah run your winny at constsant doses as well, no need to pyramid down and at 75mg/day, you'll be fine(525mg/week). good luck bro

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    make sure you run nolva or ldex to keep the bloat down. also maybe cut dbol down to 4weeks. and u mite wanna use milk thistle to keep ur liver clean cuz all those orals and the accutane is a big strain. if u want u could extend ur cycle to 12weeks, im runnin test for 15weeks for my 2nd cycle.good luck bro

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    hmm ok thanks bros, so how does this look:

    Week 1-14 Test E 800mg/week
    Week 1-14 Deca 600mg/week
    Week 1-5 DBol @ 40mg/day
    Week 4-14 Winny @75mg/day
    Accutane 80mg/day (Doctor Prescribed)

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    Looks much better, just cut your D-bol off at week four, and run the winny weeks 4 thru 14 like you have it.Good luck bro!

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    Is your winny oral? because if it is that is a long time to be running orals

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    I would run the winny weeks 11-16. JMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackfoot PT
    I would run the winny weeks 11-16. JMO
    why????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by imann
    why????????
    A couple of reasons:

    1. To maximize the synergistic effects of the compounds. Deca and Test E have an active life of 14-16 days. Stanozolol has an active life of 48 hours. The test is still pumping through the system for a couple of weeks, but the stanozolol fades after a couple of days. Running the stanozolol past the test e is pretty standard.

    2. Personal experience. It worked for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatOne
    hmm ok thanks bros, so how does this look:

    Week 1-14 Test E 800mg/week
    Week 1-14 Deca 600mg/week
    Week 1-5 DBol @ 40mg/day
    Week 4-14 Winny @75mg/day
    Accutane 80mg/day (Doctor Prescribed)
    bad cycle in my opinion
    ur running winni way too long
    to much accutane imo
    test should be run longer than deca
    pct wont line up
    keep researching bro

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    AGREE WITH JUICE IN THE HOOD, AND WHY RUNNING EVERYTHING AT SUCH HIGH DOSAGES, i THINK 500MG OF TEST E AND 400 OF DECA WOULD BE FINE, ESPECIALLY WEN YOU HAVE ONLY ONE CYCLE, THATS PROBABLY WHY YOU GOT THE ACNE, YOU WERE PROBABLY RUNNING THE SUST AND TREN VERY HIGH AND WINNY SHOULD BE RAN 6 WEEKS TOP IF ITS THE TABS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGreatOne
    hmm ok thanks bros, so how does this look:

    Week 1-14 Test E 800mg/week
    Week 1-14 Deca 600mg/week
    Week 1-5 DBol @ 40mg/day
    Week 4-14 Winny @75mg/day
    Accutane 80mg/day (Doctor Prescribed)
    I would run prop preferably for weeks 14-16 or just extend your enanth 2 weeks past the deca.

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    weeks 1-12 test e @ 500mg
    weeks 1-14 deca @ 400mg
    weeks 13-17 prop 75mg ed
    weeks 13-17 winni 50mg ed
    proper pct and anti-e's
    this is what i would do and i would also use eq instead of deca

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackfoot PT
    I would run the winny weeks 11-16. JMO
    I agree, run the winny as blackfoot has stated, stop the deca at week 12. This is a big cycle for your second. anywho, make sure you have a good pct set up and have all your anti est and anti aromas. Are you going to use hcg ?

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    If the winstrol is oral, I would not run it right after the dbol ... maybe at the end of cycle, sure. I would up the dbol to 50 and run it weeks 1-4 and then ditch the orals until week 12, and run the winny 2 weeks beyond the test. Also I would stop the deca a week or maybe two before stopping the test. Your cycle as originally posted would be rough on the ol liver and if you do it that way, it would sure be nice to have a doc getting you some lab work done every 3-4 weeks.

    The comment about the acne being a product of high doses seems right on. I bet if you lowered your doses your acne would not trouble you so much and your gains would still be worthwhile. Try the standard 500mg test with 400 mg deca, maybe? It is pretty hard NOT to grow on that stack.

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    How much Mgs were you running on that 2nd cycle you started but couldnt finish?

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