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Ok. Ive read the educational threads on this but wanted to know what you guys though the pros and cons were on each one. For example, does the fact that M1T is cheaper than test and other roids make up for the fact that its not as good ? or whatever your thoughts are.
you can not compare M1T vs real TEST. its apples and oranges bro
Like comparing a Neon and a Cobra GT.
I had great results from M1T. I am in the middle of a test e cycle so it's really to early to compare the two. M1t is not crap, just not the "real" thing. It's cheap and it works and well, was legal.
My thoughts on this are that if you havn't got the cash to go for roids then get m1t and get similar gains but pay less. Don't you think that the fac that m1t costs less makes up for it not been as good as roids ? or would you rather wait itll you had the cash then to do m1t?
It's not cheaper at all, you can get the powder(cyp) and supplies for under a hun and make 50ml at 200mg/ml!
a month cycle of m1t is 10-20 bucks. how is it not cheaper?
If it aint the real deal anything besides protien sucks IMO
Test owns M1T. Plain and simple.
go with the test unless u dont have the money.
i paid $100 for 80, 10mg M1T pills....also paid $100 for 10 ML of QV cyp from same source !!!
I don't know where you guys find your M1T, but it runs $9.99 for 60 (5 mg) caps
thank u and 20 for 120 or 180 5mg
m1t is nothing compared to test period
cant compare the two, but m1t is dirt cheap and effective
M1Ts sides effects suck thats it but so does anadrols and people still use that!!!
M1T is more anabolic than drol!!!
900-1200% more anabolic than test
it is one of the most powerful roids out and its dirt cheap only problem with it is a:the lethargy b: the negative effects on HDL c: extreme suppresiveness
other than that it is freaking sweet!!!
You dont have to get powder or anything. WHat do you get a M1T bottle for 50-60 bucks?? Thats the price of a bottle of Testosterone. It is definately not cheaper to use Pro hormones.
Ok well I am speaking from experience. M1T does NOT compare to Abomb OR Dbol. I've tried it twice to make sure. So no M1T doesn't even come close to topping test e/cyp. Not even close my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan2
Do you really believe everything you read?
It is not hard to be considered more anabolic than Test, because it is used as the baseline to your hormonal levels. If an AAS is more anabolic than Test, it i considred anabloic by most, and the other way around for androgens.
M1t, was tested by people wanting to potentiate it as a wonder drug, and of course they paid the lab to get the results they wanted. This is if they even used a lab.
The way they test for Anabolic/Androgenic ratios is also very suceptible to fallacy. The longer an ester on an injectable, the more anabolic it will seem, thought to be more due to the increase of time in the system. So if you compare TNE to a Methylated PH, I'm sure you could skew the numbers, or even take the Test orally.
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Originally Posted by Bryan2
M1T does not compare to test at all end of story if you are near your genetic potential you will probably not gain much at all from an m1T cycle, but everyone nomatter what there size will gain from a test only cycle, enem a very low dose af test like 250 mgs a week will destroy M1T
M1T is 10 bucks for a bottle at bulk nutrition. Its cheaper...dont argue price.
Whats more dangerous for you
Test or M1T
who cares if its cheaper
A cheap piece of sh*t dodge spirit is cheaper than a Porsche 911
do they even compare ?? nooooo...but hey its cheaper! :rolleyes:
test is better..prohormone garbage..give me a break
I didnt say I cared whats cheaper, I just said it was cheaper. People were arguing that it wasnt.
And its not a prohormone, stop being ignorant.
M1T is great for quick strength gains...but it isn't good for the long run. And like others said the sides are ridiculous. I had better results from 20mg of M1T/day than 40mg Dbol/day...but the dbol I had was the first round of QV's that others said didn't work well so who knows.
As far as which is better test or M1T...test is, hands down.
I am doing 20mg/day of M1T right now and frankly I think I noticed better results with a heavy stack of 4-androdiol and 19-nor-4-androdiol but the M1T is a lot cheaper for whatever that's worth.
Has anybody tried higher doses, say up to 50mg/day for a month?
do you have proof to back this up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan2
do you care about your liver? i would never go above 20mg/day thats just asking for liver problems bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baron
The % are valid Im not making this up have you ever heard of the Vida Tables guys?
That is the STANDARD check for the anabolic/androgenic ratio period. The baseline is methyl test they compare everything to this as a baseline. and M1T is more anabolic hands down.
I dont mind M1T the only thing that bothers me is the lethargy but it goes away in about a week for me. The worse thing about M1T is its negative effects on HDL levels its up there with HALO.
I like the feel of testosterone much better and would do a cycle of that over M1T anyday but im not trying to determine which is better!
M1T IS DIHYDRO DBOL plain and simple the general rule of thumb is most things DHT derived is going to be more anabolic than regular test.
I got 16 pounds off of M1T in 2 weeks that is the most ive ever gotten from an oral and 13 pounds was LBM!!!
People swear that prohormones dont work but M1T is NOT a prohormone at all it is an active steroid no conversion necessary.
It still has its place as a steroid the sides just skew the overall effectivness of the compound. If it didnt produce lethargy then you know people would give it TONS more credit than its recieving.
please dont try it...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baron
m1t works good but nothing like testosterne period!
I'd argue price with youQuote:
Originally Posted by Angel of death
Test powder is sold at prices ranging from $1.50 US to $2 US per gram
A USP grade solvent is $5 US for 30ml
So test is both Cheaper... with less sides.. AND more effective
Not a slave to convention..i HAVE used more than 50mg m-1-t for a month...was m-1-t from gaspari nutrition and...m-1-t is a waste IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by The Baron
I did 10 mg..no kick...60 mg..no kick... and a week at 90mg
Got more of a strength/size gain offa creatine...i-kid-u-not
To me, if price is the real issue, perhaps you should raid your
mommy and daddies stash or save your allowance up for a few
weeks. You can behave like a drunk bum on the corner and take
M1t which is similar to Mad Dog 20/20, which gives you a sh!tty
hangover, or you can man up and save for that bottle from Napa
valley and actually enjoy the buzz.
Oral cycles suck. M1t is HARD as hell on your kidneys too. I have tried
it and speak from experience.
I did notice my urine was really dark and smelly for the first 3 or 4 days. Had terrible BO, too. Both cleared up, but I am thinking that was indicative of a lot of crap in my body for the kidneys to eliminate. I am now I guess 8 days into it and peeing normally... just a little darker after a really intense training session which is pretty normal for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsofwar
So what symptoms did you experience, relating to your kidneys? And what was your dosage and did you run M1T by itself?
I guess a lot of this is moot, since the real advantage (legality of the product) of M1T will fade away in what... a few more days? When does the ban go into effect... the end of the year?
Not sure regarding the ban dates.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Baron
My sides: Dark urine which indicates kidney stress.
Severe lethargy which made me quit at 3 weeks
Hard shutdown
Severe back pumps that pretty much disabled me
I suspect that once it becomes illegal, that people will only buy it'
so they dont have to inject. I think thats what all this boils down to.