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12-24-2004, 08:00 AM
kl26

here's my plans,flame away guru's

here's what i'm doing.here is what i plan on doing.still learning so let me know what i'm doing right or wrong or where i should tweak my cycle.and how long
do i need between my last day of clomid from the m1t cycle and the next
real deal cycle or can i start as soon as i get my natural test production
back up.

stats

5'8
195 lbs
13.5% bf
3.5 years of consistent training(broken in half with 3 year layoff approximately
24 years old
good clean diet(i do my best!)
cycle experience: 2 cycles.1st: sustanon(7 years ago,dumb),test enathate last year with a little deca

currently
1-4 m1t (1w 20mg ed,2-3w 60 mg ed,4w 30 mg)
4-6 formestane (anti aromatize) 4 capsules daily by gaspari nutrtion [label says 2-8 pills daily this way i can strech it out for 3 weeks]
4-6 arr liquid clen (starting at 20 mcg, up to 100 mcg,and tapering off last days)
5-7 arr clomafin citrate (day 1 300 mg,day 2-30 100 mg)

next cycle
1 month b-5 6 g a day frontload (acne)
10 g ed of b-5 throughout cycle plus dalacin-t

1-12 d-bol 50 mg ed
1-12 testosterone cypionate 500 mg a week
12-15 proviron 50 mg daily
12-15 nolvadex 20 mg daily
12-15 arr clen (starting at 60 mcg, up to 120 mcg,back down to 60 mcg last few days)
13-16 clomafin citrate (day 1 300 mg ed, 2-30 100 mg ed)

i know that you shouldn't run d-bol that far into the cycle,but can i get away with it? or do i absolutely have to find another compound?
12-24-2004, 08:29 AM
map200uk

12 weeks of a 17aa, dont be silly bro

u can, but its not gonna help ur liver, i personally wouldnt do that
12-24-2004, 08:45 AM
kl26

your right, to harsh on the filter.17 aa send a knockout punch to your enzymes
i got milk thistle though!so what do you think around week 5 start taking
what trenbalone?eq?deca?what do i need?
12-24-2004, 09:51 AM
map200uk

is this ur 1st cycle?!
12-24-2004, 10:27 AM
kl26

i have dabbled with some test enathate and deca last spring.i wrote that down in my cycle exp. sentence
12-24-2004, 10:41 AM
Jtt23

8 weeks MAX on any 17aa followed by at least 3 months off all oral. 12 weeks is asking for trouble IMHO.
12-27-2004, 03:12 PM
kl26

thanks for the info.dianabol and anadrol 50 are the only 17aa steroids i
can think of off the top of my head.what are some others?i ordered
anabolics 2005 by william llewelyn so i could learn more.
12-27-2004, 03:36 PM
Property of Steroid.com

Most orals are 17aa. It's easier to name the ones which aren't....Andriol & Primobolan are the 2 that jump to mind.

Anavar, Winstrol, etc...are all 17aa.
12-27-2004, 03:54 PM
kl26

how many weeks max can you run andriol and primobolan?
12-27-2004, 04:01 PM
asymmetrical1

Quote:

Originally Posted by kl26

here's what i'm doing.here is what i plan on doing.still learning so let me know what i'm doing right or wrong or where i should tweak my cycle.and how long
do i need between my last day of clomid from the m1t cycle and the next
real deal cycle or can i start as soon as i get my natural test production
back up.

stats

5'8
195 lbs
13.5% bf
3.5 years of consistent training(broken in half with 3 year layoff approximately
24 years old
good clean diet(i do my best!)
cycle experience: 2 cycles.1st: sustanon(7 years ago,dumb),test enathate last year with a little deca

currently
1-4 m1t (1w 20mg ed,2-3w 60 mg ed,4w 30 mg)
4-6 formestane (anti aromatize) 4 capsules daily by gaspari nutrtion [label says 2-8 pills daily this way i can strech it out for 3 weeks]
4-6 arr liquid clen (starting at 20 mcg, up to 100 mcg,and tapering off last days)
5-7 arr clomafin citrate (day 1 300 mg,day 2-30 100 mg)

next cycle
1 month b-5 6 g a day frontload (acne)
10 g ed of b-5 throughout cycle plus dalacin-t

1-12 d-bol 50 mg ed
1-12 testosterone cypionate 500 mg a week
12-15 proviron 50 mg daily
12-15 nolvadex 20 mg daily
12-15 arr clen (starting at 60 mcg, up to 120 mcg,back down to 60 mcg last few days)
13-16 clomafin citrate (day 1 300 mg ed, 2-30 100 mg ed)

i know that you shouldn't run d-bol that far into the cycle,but can i get away with it? or do i absolutely have to find another compound?

this cycle is jacked bro....
need an anti-e weeks 1-12
12 weeks of dbol is insanity
pct starts week 15
12-27-2004, 04:23 PM
kl26

Quote:

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

this cycle is jacked bro....
need an anti-e weeks 1-12
12 weeks of dbol is insanity
pct starts week 15

i know its jacked cause i got alot to learn.only take d-bol or any other 17aa
oral w1-5?what if you only have enough aas to run for 12 w instead of
14?i new it would be a good idea to run anti-e the whole time,but what if
you only got enough for 3 weeks worth,do you just need to wait till you
can get some more?
12-27-2004, 04:29 PM
asymmetrical1

Quote:

Originally Posted by kl26

i know its jacked cause i got alot to learn.only take d-bol or any other 17aa
oral w1-5?what if you only have enough aas to run for 12 w instead of
14?i new it would be a good idea to run anti-e the whole time,but what if
you only got enough for 3 weeks worth,do you just need to wait till you
can get some more?

be patient and get some more gear....
dont roll the dice with nipples bro....
12-27-2004, 07:48 PM
Syndicate

Quote:

Originally Posted by kl26

currently
1-4 m1t (1w 20mg ed,2-3w 60 mg ed,4w 30 mg)

****, thats a bit overkill IMO
12-30-2004, 12:07 PM
kl26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndicate

****, thats a bit overkill IMO

whats the max doseage m1t should ever peak out at.was i wasting the stuff?
12-30-2004, 12:15 PM
Mesomorphyl

Quote:

Originally Posted by kl26

here's what i'm doing.
next cycle
1 month b-5 6 g a day frontload (acne)
10 g ed of b-5 throughout cycle plus dalacin-t

1-12 d-bol 50 mg ed
1-12 testosterone cypionate 500 mg a week
12-15 proviron 50 mg daily
12-15 nolvadex 20 mg daily
12-15 arr clen (starting at 60 mcg, up to 120 mcg,back down to 60 mcg last few days)
13-16 clomafin citrate (day 1 300 mg ed, 2-30 100 mg ed)

i know that you shouldn't run d-bol that far into the cycle,but can i get away with it? or do i absolutely have to find another compound?

Proviron and nolva will help with estrogen from the first of this cycle... clen could be ran differently during pct(look up hookers info)... clomid is started too early if you run test to 12 start pct 14 until done... dbol drop that to 35-40mg ed and run it about 6 weeks.
12-30-2004, 12:16 PM
Swifto

Research!
12-30-2004, 12:29 PM
BajanBastard

Quote:

1-4 m1t (1w 20mg ed,2-3w 60 mg ed,4w 30 mg)

10-20 mg ed 2week on 2off weeks off

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4-6 formestane (anti aromatize) 4 capsules daily by gaspari nutrtion [label says 2-8 pills daily this way i can strech it out for 3 weeks]

Not really needed M1T does not aromatize.

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4-6 arr liquid clen (starting at 20 mcg, up to 100 mcg,and tapering off last days)

Why only 2 weeks?

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5-7 arr clomafin citrate (day 1 300 mg,day 2-30 100 mg)

Use right after the M1T.
next cycle

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1-12 d-bol 50 mg ed

Shyt load of d-bol your first cycle 25-30mg should be fine. 12 weeks is to long for a newbie try 4-6 weeks first.

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1-12 testosterone cypionate 500 mg a week

Good

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12-15 proviron 50 mg daily

You usig it for your libido PCT?

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12-15 nolvadex 20 mg daily

IMO 10mg throughout your cycle is the way to go.

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12-15 arr clen (starting at 60 mcg, up to 120 mcg,back down to 60 mcg last few days)

No need to taper. Why 3 weeks? Are you just using it for it's "anti-catabolic" effects?
12-30-2004, 12:30 PM
Syndicate

I wouldnt tread anymore than 30mg daily... But thats me. I just finished @ 10mg ed for 3 weeks and gained 13lbs. Someone on the board was loosing hair at 40mg ed.
12-30-2004, 12:51 PM
Mesomorphyl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Syndicate

I wouldnt tread anymore than 30mg daily... But thats me. I just finished @ 10mg ed for 3 weeks and gained 13lbs. Someone on the board was loosing hair at 40mg ed.

Loosing hair is a possibliliy with test also. We are all different and I have taken dbol @25mg and @40mg never any hair loss(I do not use anything to prevent it either). Syndicate is this a kickstart for injectables or was this a 3 week cycle?
12-30-2004, 12:53 PM
Syndicate

Just a cycle. I used the hair statement as an example.

I just noticed, were're talking about M1T not dbol.
12-30-2004, 02:14 PM
kl26

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigswiftos

Research!

thats what i'm doing bro.i am waiting on anabolics 2005 by williiam llewelyn
its in the mail and on its way.that whole cycle is getting nixed anyway
due to availability and what i have access to.got a good warm and fuzzy
though.next time i ask you guys to critique it will be when physically got my
gear in hand and ready to go so i don't waste peoples time.
12-30-2004, 05:06 PM
Knight1811

Quote:

Originally Posted by kl26

thats what i'm doing bro.i am waiting on anabolics 2005 by williiam llewelyn
its in the mail and on its way.that whole cycle is getting nixed anyway
due to availability and what i have access to.got a good warm and fuzzy
though.next time i ask you guys to critique it will be when physically got my
gear in hand and ready to go so i don't waste peoples time.

William Llwelyn's books are great....at least the 2k2 and 2k4. I was thinking about getting the 2k5 but not sure if it is much more updated than 2K4..I need to research that more...Anyways....try the L.REA books. I totally subscribe to L.REA's knowledge. That dude is top notch. I mean totally fooking awesome. He outlines EVERYTHING!!!! I mean everything.
His two books are "Chemical Muscle Enhancement" and "Building the Perfect Beast." Those two books will totally reshape your thinking about dosing AASs. Honestly, read his recommendations for a first year cycle (hopefully before you start your cycle) and you will be totally shocked.

I have the hard copies that I bought a couple years back but you can download the electronic version online. I think the other forum has recently been pushing his e-books. Either way, you can't go wrong.

Knight1811
12-31-2004, 08:52 AM
kl26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knight1811

William Llwelyn's books are great....at least the 2k2 and 2k4. I was thinking about getting the 2k5 but not sure if it is much more updated than 2K4..I need to research that more...Anyways....try the L.REA books. I totally subscribe to L.REA's knowledge. That dude is top notch. I mean totally fooking awesome. He outlines EVERYTHING!!!! I mean everything.
His two books are "Chemical Muscle Enhancement" and "Building the Perfect Beast." Those two books will totally reshape your thinking about dosing AASs. Honestly, read his recommendations for a first year cycle (hopefully before you start your cycle) and you will be totally shocked.

I have the hard copies that I bought a couple years back but you can download the electronic version online. I think the other forum has recently been pushing his e-books. Either way, you can't go wrong.

Knight1811

the other book i need to get is the one that pertains all the specific laws
and aas.can't remember who wrote it though
12-31-2004, 12:30 PM
marlin444

couple things:
1. do dbols first 4 weeks, and last 4 if you really want to at the end.
2. i personally would take clen for 2 on, 2 off. you gain tollerance REALLY quickly.
3. start with 10 grams of b5 a day if you have acne now.
4. important: start PCT 2 weeks after Last injection!! you can run clen/proviron these these last 2 weeks, to prevent catabolism.