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    Exclamation Need some serious feedback on my upcoming cycle!

    OK! I've comed to the decision of doing one of the following cycles:

    Cycle A:
    I use my bulking roids thru the whole cycle, and add some cutters at the last 7 weeks to get lean. Also bridging with short esters to PCT.

    WK1-14:
    200mg EQ EOD
    150mg Deca EOD

    WK1-15:
    250mg test enanthate EOD

    WK10-17:
    100mg Winny tab ED
    100mg Tren EOD

    WK18-21:
    PCT with clomid


    Cycle B:
    I use testo as base for my cycle, doing it all way thru, and add a new AS every 5 week. Stopping the addition after 10 weeks of ON-time. Also adding cutters at the end, to get lean, plus bridging to PCT!

    WK1-10:
    150mg Deca EOD

    WK1-15:
    250mg test enanthate EOD

    WK5-15:
    200mg EQ EOD

    WK10-17:
    100mg Winny tab ED
    100mg Tren EOD

    WK19-22:
    PCT with clomid


    Please read carefully before you recommend one, cause I'm going for what YOU guys are recommending!

    Thanx for your time, bro!

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    i think most of the people on this forum will tell you if your bulking bulk,and if your cutting cut,but bump for more answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish bulldog
    i think most of the people on this forum will tell you if your bulking bulk,and if your cutting cut,but bump for more answers.
    I know, but this is only to get rid of the water and start me up on cutting. Cause after bulking, its cutting time, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish bulldog
    i think most of the people on this forum will tell you if your bulking bulk,and if your cutting cut,but bump for more answers.
    agree, bulk THEN cut not both

    why u shooting deca and test enan EOD? it doesnt need to be shot EOD 2xweek unless u love injections?

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    if u wana get rid of water take .ldex and nolva not including cutters,ur just wasting money

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    Both cycles need to be adjusted IMO. I like the 1st one. Cut the winny to 50mg ED. Bump the tren to 75-100mg ed. Cut back on the other doses a little. I would also inject less.

    test e 400mg e3d 1-20
    eq 250mg e3d 1-18
    deca 200mg e3d 1-12
    fina 75mg ed 10-18
    winny 50mg ed 17-23


    As you can see that's a boatload of gear. The tren and deca also colide at one point for 5 weeks. If you're prone expect progestinic sides. Imo forget the deca and winny.
    Last edited by BajanBastard; 12-30-2004 at 01:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswiftos
    agree, bulk THEN cut not both

    why u shooting deca and test enan EOD? it doesnt need to be shot EOD 2xweek unless u love injections?
    Thats what I'm actually doing, bro!
    Bulking, then cutting... Or not?
    *CONFUSED!*

    EOD because its A LOT!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    Both cycles need to be adjusted IMO. I like the 1st one. Cut the winny to 50mg ED. Bump the tren to 75-100mg ed. Cut back on the other doses a little. I would also inject less.

    test e 400mg e3d 1-20
    eq 250mg e3d 1-18
    deca 200mg e3d 1-12
    fina 75mg ed 10-18
    winny 50mg ed 17-23


    As you can see that's a boatload of gear. The tren and deca also colide at one point for 5 weeks. If you're prone expect progestinic sides. Imo forget the deca and winny.
    I was backing up the prog. with winny, U see?
    I actually thought of that!
    But the test has to be 500 then (250pr. amp)
    EQ at 300 (400mg/ml)
    fina at 100 or 50 (100mg/ml)
    winnies are oral IP. Very ineffctive, but cheap!

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    was a bit but i got it now, anti-e's???

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswiftos
    was a bit but i got it now, anti-e's???
    I thought of doing Pregnyl thru cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    I was backing up the prog. with winny, U see?
    I actually thought of that!
    But the test has to be 500 then (250pr. amp)
    EQ at 300 (400mg/ml)
    fina at 100 or 50 (100mg/ml)
    winnies are oral IP. Very ineffctive, but cheap!
    Can you get letrozole ? It would work well to fight the progestinic sides. I heard of using winny for fina/deca gyno but i have never seen any proof that it works.

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    u may need it as ur cycle is over 12weeks, do a search on HCG for dosages and times, as im not expert on it! u need some anti-e's (nolva???)

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    Do what big said, E3D is the way to run it... EOD with those esters wont give good blood levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
    Do what big said, E3D is the way to run it... EOD with those esters wont give good blood levels.
    Huh!? You sure? Cause I've heard the opposite... More frequent injections give better blood levels...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigswiftos
    u may need it as ur cycle is over 12weeks, do a search on HCG for dosages and times, as im not expert on it! u need some anti-e's (nolva???)
    Nolva in hand, in case of Gyno! I'm not prog-prone :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    Huh!? You sure? Cause I've heard the opposite... More frequent injections give better blood levels...
    Im sure... I can post the blood graph if you prefere...
    Test E, cyp, deca , EQ, and tren E all need to be done E3D.

    Prop, tren A, and masteron all need to be shot ED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
    Im sure... I can post the blood graph if you prefere...
    Test E, cyp, deca , EQ, and tren E all need to be done E3D.

    Prop, tren A, and masteron all need to be shot ED
    OK! Link me up, bro! Gotta read why!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    OK! Link me up, bro! Gotta read why!
    Done!!!!

    Then cyp below... Cyp and Test E for the sake of aurgument the same.


    Notice the days.... Each time the graph would fall you shoot that day. Consistant blood levels

    -MS

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    just curious,why does the enan,cyp blood level slightly rise on 16th day?

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    More people need to see this!!!! bumping

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle
    Done!!!!

    Then cyp below... Cyp and Test E for the sake of aurgument the same.


    Notice the days.... Each time the graph would fall you shoot that day. Consistant blood levels

    -MS
    OK! I looked at the graph, and it peaks at day 2.
    At day 3 I'll inject again, because thats the day it goes down...

    Whats wrong with that? I will have almost a constant peak of test... Is this wrong?

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    EQ at 200mg EOD is either 700 or 800 mg per week which is not necessary and a waste of good gear

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    No more than 600mg per wk on EQ, and Tren should be run ed at no more than 75mg, also don't run it more than 5 wks. Unless you want liver failure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moosepellet
    No more than 600mg per wk on EQ, and Tren should be run ed at no more than 75mg, also don't run it more than 5 wks. Unless you want liver failure
    Foolishness!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    Foolishness!!
    AGREE!!!

    Did you read the test one member took?
    One subject took 500mg test and another got 1000mg.
    the 1000mg one got LOTS more power and mass!!!
    So shaddap if you are unsure, or talking just hypoteses. Cause in practise its different!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    OK! I looked at the graph, and it peaks at day 2.
    At day 3 I'll inject again, because thats the day it goes down...

    Whats wrong with that? I will have almost a constant peak of test... Is this wrong?

    ANYONE!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    ANYONE!?
    You don't need to inject E3D. If you want to go eod to reduced injection volume it's ok. Lower the total aas intake per week tho.

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    OK!
    How about trashing the deca ?

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    Some thing like this.

    Test 250mg eod/1 ml eod 1-15
    Tren 100mg ed/ 1ml ed 1-10
    EQ 200mg e3d/ .5ml e3d 1-14
    Winny 50mg ed 12-18
    letro 1mg ed 1-18+pct
    hcg <---not sure of the dose used when running it rite thru cycle

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    Some thing like this.

    Test 250mg eod/1 ml eod 1-15
    Tren 100mg ed/ 1ml ed 1-10
    EQ 200mg e3d/ .5ml e3d 1-14
    Winny 50mg ed 12-18
    letro 1mg ed 1-18+pct
    hcg <---not sure of the dose used when running it rite thru cycle
    The eq would be 1 full ml unless his is 400mg per ml and that **** would hurt.

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