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age 23
200 lbs
5 foot 10
have done 2 cycles before
question,
i have always learned that you must use test as a base in a cycle, can i do a bulker with test and deca for 12 weeks and then do a cutter with eq and winny and clenbuterol with no test?????
bump
No............ The winny and EQ will shut you down...... You could run Prop in the cutter.
Would you be going from the bulker and straight into the cutter or would you do PCT after the bulker and wait to run the next cycle?
Example
1 - 15 Prop
1 - 12 EQ
10 - 15 Winny
Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off
eq winny and test prop would be good
dont run eq and winni w/o test
i did a cycle like this in the past
weeks 1-4 dbol 25mg ed
weeks 1-14 test e 500mg e/w
weeks 1-17 eq 400mg e/w
weeks 15-20 test prop 70mg ed
weeks 15-20 winni 50mg ed
weeks 10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24 clen
weeks 1-25 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 21-24 clomid 100mg ed
weeks 5,10,15,20 hcg 1500iu
this was a cycle i did in the past with those same compounds it worked great for me bcuz my diet was in chizeck
thanks for the reply, i mean i know time on is time off
what i want to do is bulk up for 3 months and then cut, so whichever way i can do it would be best
maybe:
1-4 30 mg dbol
1-12 600 enethate
1-12 400 deca
12-20 400 eq
12-20 75 mg prop ed
im not sure
weeks 1-4 dbol 25mg ed
weeks 1-14 test e 500mg e/w
weeks 1-17 eq 400mg e/w
weeks 15-20 test prop 70mg ed
weeks 15-20 winni 50mg ed
weeks 10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24 clen
weeks 1-25 nolva 20mg ed
weeks 21-24 clomid 100mg ed
weeks 5,10,15,20 hcg 1500iu
I'd dump the prop and just run the test e 1-20. ED injects get tiresome
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Originally Posted by Ironarms
that cycle looks mint, i was lookin to deca bc my shoulder hurts
thankls for all your advice, greatly appreciated
The EQ will need to be ran longer to be effective and you always want to run the test out with other compounds. The only problem I see is that this is your 3rd cycle and this is a lot to run but here's what I would do.........
1-4 35 mg dbol
1-12 600 enethate
1-12 400 deca
12-23 400 eq
12-26 75mg Prop ED
21-26 50mg Winny ED
1-26 10mg Nolva
1-26 Femera 1.25mg EOD
17-25 HCG 500 iu 2x per week
then u would have change pctQuote:
Originally Posted by LORDBLiTZ
the reason i put prop at the end is bcuz he wanted to cut at the end so prop alongside winni for the last 6 weeks made sense to me
u think its a lot to run, bc of how much or bc of the lenght?
this looks very nice :bow1:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMudMan
and then start my clomid therapy after week 26?
The number of compounds and the length. You only have 2 other cycles under your belt. Are you getting ready for a show? If not why not break the cycle in to two cycles and do PCT and then time off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironarms
start week 27Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironarms
You would start PCT on that cycle I laid out 3 days after last Prop injection.Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
that would be week 27 right if u finish prop week 26Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMudMan
is this right
im not gettin ready for a show, i just wanna get myself ready for the summer, i wanted to do a bulker and then a cutter, but i know time on is time off so i didnt know how to go about this with the summer comin up in 6 months
if i do a bulker for 12 weeks followed by pct , can i do my cutter right afterwards ....i thought the answer was no
It depends when his last injection is durring the week........... but with Prop it's 3 days, Cyp and SUS 18 days, and Enan 14 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
kewl :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMudMan
If you take time off between the cycles then you would be running the cutting cycle durring the summer............ but you can start cutting with diet and cardio before the cutter. This way you will have your diet going before the cycle starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironarms
since ur the vet and the expert, ur advbice is to split it up into 2 cycles???
when should i end the first and start the sec
Not because I'm a VET do it............ but I think this would be a better way....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironarms
1-4 35 mg dbol
1-14 600 enethate
1-12 400 deca
1-14 10mg Nolva
1-14 Femera 1.25mg EOD
Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection
Time on = Time off
1-15 75mg Prop ED
1-12 400 eq
10-15 50mg Winny ED
1-15 10mg Nolva
1-15 Femera 1.25mg EOD
Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection
thanks mudman
only problem i have with splitting it is that i wont be lean by the time the summer comes
The drugs will not make you lean........... they help in getting to your goals and also help you from loseing muscle from dieting.............. but what will get you lean is the cardio and diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironarms
thanks, i think im goin to do the bulker with more cardio....trtying to find info right now about a comparison on eq and deca....only reason i wanted eca was for my joints...
That's your best bet is try not to make your bf rise to high durring the bulker.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironarms