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Thread: DEca whats to long to run it???
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01-02-2005, 09:04 AM #1
DEca whats to long to run it???
i was just wondering what be to long to wrong deca at with a low dosage of 150-200mgs a week?? would 15 or maybe even 18 weeks be to long???? looking for some info.
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01-02-2005, 09:07 AM #2
On its own ? Please God can we not have this conversation again !
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01-02-2005, 09:23 AM #3Originally Posted by quaker48
dont run it alone it shuts u down harder than most a.s.
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01-02-2005, 10:19 AM #4
no test no cycle! use it wit 500mg test e and bump ur deca up to 300-400mg per wk, run for 10weeks and u got urself a cycle
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01-02-2005, 10:24 AM #5
I love deca just for joint soreness at 300mg per week but would probably never run it alone.
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01-02-2005, 10:37 AM #6
i plan on running test, here's my idea( rember just an idea) run 10 mgs of d-bol for 50days, test e 250mgs for 20weeks, deca - 150 mgs for 19 weeks. i thought maybe i would make more keep able gains running it like this with proper deit and pct. but rember just an idea but could use your opions.
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01-02-2005, 10:50 AM #7Originally Posted by quaker48
weeks
1-4 dbol 30-4omg ed
1-12 test e 200mg 2x a wk. or 250mg 2x a wk.
1-11 deca 150mg 2x a wk. or 200mg 2x a wk.
start pct week 15
also run letro ed @ .25 or.5
clomid and nolva for pct search the pct forum
just my idea even though i dont like deca i prefer eq over deca
and by the way whats are your stats
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01-02-2005, 10:55 AM #8
yes, i know all of this, look at my post may past post, i was just wondering that if lowering the dosage and running them longer would produce more keep able gains im not some newbie on here. i was just wondering about this idea
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01-02-2005, 10:57 AM #9Originally Posted by quaker48
if ur not some newbie u should know this
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01-02-2005, 11:00 AM #10
well if look at my previous statment the 1st one u replied to, i said pct and proper deit will be in check, but thanks for your replys, just wondering on my idea, i heard thats what alot of the older pro's use to do, but thanks for your info
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01-02-2005, 11:06 AM #11Writer
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Originally Posted by quaker48
Many things could happen:
You gain 30lbs in 12 weeks, and keep 20 on a high(er) dose cycle...
but maybe you could gain 15 (and keep all of it) on a long/lower dose cycle...then on one hand you keep 100% of your gains...but in actuality you have more net gains by losing 1/3 of them and keeping the 20lbs from the higher dose cycle.
There's alot of possibilities, and one is keeping a high % of gains, but actually having less net gains in the end.
If you think that your way will work (and it's possible...though not highly probable), then give it a go....and tell us your results.
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01-02-2005, 11:08 AM #12Originally Posted by quaker48
i figure if you do 10 grams of test over a period of ten weeks its the same as doing 10 grams over a period of 20 weeks same amount test diff. length of cycles slower growth
i believe keepable gains come from diet and pct.
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01-02-2005, 11:13 AM #13
thanxs for your advice hooker, also wouldnt the sides be lower as well??? just wondering, What im worried about is putting out the cash and and not being happy with my resalts. I mean i wanna be able to at least gain 15lbs at the very least. So im not really sure what im gonna do .
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01-02-2005, 11:15 AM #14
juiceinthehood, i got the idea from i beleave it was Bask8case thread im not sure if that correct name but something like that. i found it to be very enteresting u might wanna check it out.
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01-02-2005, 11:19 AM #15Originally Posted by quaker48
is it the low dose cycles one
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01-02-2005, 11:21 AM #16
i dont understand why people still believe they will keep the gains they achieve from a cycle...it cant be done.if you gain 30 lbs of muscle,it was achieved through having higher then normal test levels,being able to train harder and heavier,being able to recover faster and being able to utilize nutrients more proficiently..when your off your body will try and return to normal(homiostasis)it will burn the muscle for energy because it wont be able to maintain it because your hormone levels have dropped,you arent training as hard as you were(even though you may be trying)...etc.just look at pro bb's who retire,they are not 1/2 the size as when they were on..if you want to get big and stay big,then there is no coming off....depends on your goals,what your willing to do to achieve them
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01-02-2005, 11:23 AM #17Writer
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Originally Posted by quaker48
Sometimes. Honestly, there is a dose-respondant curve with most steroids in terms of weight and strength gain....but not a dose respondant curve, with regards to sides.
Its highly possible that you do a 500mgs of testosterone + 500mgs of Deca per week, and experience no side effects at all (if you use proper ancillaries). It is, however, highly improbable, that you do a cycle with 1/2 of those doses and still gain as much weight and strength.
Many studies have shown that higher doses result in more gains....thats a positively correlated effect....however, those higher doses are not always positively correlated with side effects.
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01-02-2005, 11:25 AM #18
yes i think that was what the thread was under juiceinthe hood,
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01-02-2005, 11:26 AM #19Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
by the way ive been off for over a year
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01-02-2005, 11:29 AM #20Senior Member
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Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
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01-02-2005, 11:29 AM #21
thanks again hooker for all your help , my last last cyle was test 500mgs and deca 300mgs for 10 weeks didnt experiance any sides really liked it, was 186 went 211, now im around 203-05, well i did have one side was my nuts shrank, but retunred to normal after pct.But thanks for all your info
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01-02-2005, 11:31 AM #22Originally Posted by Hedzilla
its been more than a year and i have retained alot of my gains
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01-02-2005, 11:33 AM #23Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
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01-02-2005, 11:35 AM #24Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
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01-02-2005, 11:36 AM #25Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
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01-02-2005, 11:37 AM #26
another thing that sparked this thread for me is look at ronnie and aronald, who would u wanna look like. for me aronald looks way better. Also i heard the gear he used was not even close to the high amounts that ronnie uses. Hell look at doren yates right now and aronald from T3 I would pick aronald over doren right now as well and i thin it is related the the amount of gear that they both used. just my opion
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01-02-2005, 11:37 AM #27Originally Posted by quaker48
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01-02-2005, 11:40 AM #28Originally Posted by Jackman
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01-02-2005, 11:41 AM #29Originally Posted by quaker48
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01-02-2005, 11:44 AM #30Originally Posted by Jackman
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01-02-2005, 11:44 AM #31
yes i know genetics play a huge roll
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01-02-2005, 11:46 AM #32Writer
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Originally Posted by quaker48
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01-02-2005, 11:51 AM #33Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
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01-02-2005, 11:54 AM #34Originally Posted by hooker
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01-02-2005, 11:55 AM #35Originally Posted by Jackman
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01-02-2005, 12:03 PM #36Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
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01-02-2005, 12:43 PM #37Originally Posted by Jackman
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01-02-2005, 01:01 PM #38Associate Member
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Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
I know plenty of examples where people KEEP their gains after finishing a cycle. The AIDS/HIV community utilize AASs to fight off wasting, and after a few cycles they get on a once a year protocol to maintain their newly achieved higher weight. If your argument was correct then the HIV/AIDS community would have to be on AAS 24/7 for 365....which is simply not the case.
As for returning to homeostasis....with proper diet and exercise the body will adjust it's "homeostatic thermometer" and the new adjustment will become homeostasis. Last I checked, homeostasis is adjustable...the body adepts to new stress and sets new levels of homeostasis.
Knight1811
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01-02-2005, 01:20 PM #39Originally Posted by quaker48
Last edited by Stout1; 01-02-2005 at 01:29 PM.
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01-02-2005, 01:25 PM #40Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
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