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    does anyone ever cycle like this???

    age 23
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    have done 2 cycles before

    question,

    i have always learned that you must use test as a base in a cycle, can i do a bulker with test and deca for 12 weeks and then do a cutter with eq and winny and clenbuterol with no test?????

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    No............ The winny and EQ will shut you down...... You could run Prop in the cutter.

    Would you be going from the bulker and straight into the cutter or would you do PCT after the bulker and wait to run the next cycle?

    Example
    1 - 15 Prop
    1 - 12 EQ
    10 - 15 Winny
    Clen 2 weeks on 2 weeks off

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    eq winny and test prop would be good
    dont run eq and winni w/o test
    i did a cycle like this in the past
    weeks 1-4 dbol 25mg ed
    weeks 1-14 test e 500mg e/w
    weeks 1-17 eq 400mg e/w
    weeks 15-20 test prop 70mg ed
    weeks 15-20 winni 50mg ed
    weeks 10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24 clen
    weeks 1-25 nolva 20mg ed
    weeks 21-24 clomid 100mg ed
    weeks 5,10,15,20 hcg 1500iu

    this was a cycle i did in the past with those same compounds it worked great for me bcuz my diet was in chizeck

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    thanks for the reply, i mean i know time on is time off

    what i want to do is bulk up for 3 months and then cut, so whichever way i can do it would be best

    maybe:
    1-4 30 mg dbol
    1-12 600 enethate
    1-12 400 deca
    12-20 400 eq
    12-20 75 mg prop ed

    im not sure

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    weeks 1-4 dbol 25mg ed
    weeks 1-14 test e 500mg e/w
    weeks 1-17 eq 400mg e/w
    weeks 15-20 test prop 70mg ed
    weeks 15-20 winni 50mg ed
    weeks 10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24 clen
    weeks 1-25 nolva 20mg ed
    weeks 21-24 clomid 100mg ed
    weeks 5,10,15,20 hcg 1500iu

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    I'd dump the prop and just run the test e 1-20. ED injects get tiresome


    Quote Originally Posted by Ironarms
    thanks for the reply, i mean i know time on is time off

    what i want to do is bulk up for 3 months and then cut, so whichever way i can do it would be best

    maybe:
    1-4 30 mg dbol
    1-12 600 enethate
    1-12 400 deca
    12-20 400 eq
    12-20 75 mg prop ed

    im not sure

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    that cycle looks mint, i was lookin to deca bc my shoulder hurts

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    thankls for all your advice, greatly appreciated

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    The EQ will need to be ran longer to be effective and you always want to run the test out with other compounds. The only problem I see is that this is your 3rd cycle and this is a lot to run but here's what I would do.........

    1-4 35 mg dbol
    1-12 600 enethate
    1-12 400 deca
    12-23 400 eq
    12-26 75mg Prop ED
    21-26 50mg Winny ED
    1-26 10mg Nolva
    1-26 Femera 1.25mg EOD
    17-25 HCG 500 iu 2x per week
    Last edited by TheMudMan; 01-02-2005 at 05:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LORDBLiTZ
    I'd dump the prop and just run the test e 1-20. ED injects get tiresome
    then u would have change pct
    the reason i put prop at the end is bcuz he wanted to cut at the end so prop alongside winni for the last 6 weeks made sense to me

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    u think its a lot to run, bc of how much or bc of the lenght?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    The EQ will need to be ran longer to be effective and you always want to run the test out with other compounds. The only problem I see is that this is your 3rd cycle and this is a lot to run but here's what I would do.........

    1-4 35 mg dbol
    1-12 600 enethate
    1-12 400 deca
    12-23 400 eq
    12-26 75mg Prop ED
    21-26 50mg Winny ED
    1-26 10mg Nolva
    1-26 Femera
    17-25 HCG 500 iu 2x per week
    this looks very nice

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    and then start my clomid therapy after week 26?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironarms
    u think its a lot to run, bc of how much or bc of the lenght?
    The number of compounds and the length. You only have 2 other cycles under your belt. Are you getting ready for a show? If not why not break the cycle in to two cycles and do PCT and then time off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironarms
    and then start my clomid therapy after week 26?
    start week 27

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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    start week 27
    You would start PCT on that cycle I laid out 3 days after last Prop injection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    You would start PCT on that cycle I laid out 3 days after last Prop injection.
    that would be week 27 right if u finish prop week 26
    is this right

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    im not gettin ready for a show, i just wanna get myself ready for the summer, i wanted to do a bulker and then a cutter, but i know time on is time off so i didnt know how to go about this with the summer comin up in 6 months

    if i do a bulker for 12 weeks followed by pct , can i do my cutter right afterwards ....i thought the answer was no

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    Quote Originally Posted by juiceinthehood
    that would be week 27 right if u finish prop week 26
    is this right
    It depends when his last injection is durring the week........... but with Prop it's 3 days, Cyp and SUS 18 days, and Enan 14 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    It depends when his last injection is durring the week........... but with Prop it's 3 days, Cyp and SUS 18 days, and Enan 14 days.
    kewl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironarms
    im not gettin ready for a show, i just wanna get myself ready for the summer, i wanted to do a bulker and then a cutter, but i know time on is time off so i didnt know how to go about this with the summer comin up in 6 months

    if i do a bulker for 12 weeks followed by pct , can i do my cutter right afterwards ....i thought the answer was no
    If you take time off between the cycles then you would be running the cutting cycle durring the summer............ but you can start cutting with diet and cardio before the cutter. This way you will have your diet going before the cycle starts.

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    since ur the vet and the expert, ur advbice is to split it up into 2 cycles???

    when should i end the first and start the sec

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironarms
    since ur the vet and the expert, ur advbice is to split it up into 2 cycles???

    when should i end the first and start the sec
    Not because I'm a VET do it............ but I think this would be a better way....

    1-4 35 mg dbol
    1-14 600 enethate
    1-12 400 deca
    1-14 10mg Nolva
    1-14 Femera 1.25mg EOD
    Start PCT 2 weeks after last Enan injection

    Time on = Time off

    1-15 75mg Prop ED
    1-12 400 eq
    10-15 50mg Winny ED
    1-15 10mg Nolva
    1-15 Femera 1.25mg EOD
    Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection

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    thanks mudman

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    only problem i have with splitting it is that i wont be lean by the time the summer comes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironarms
    only problem i have with splitting it is that i wont be lean by the time the summer comes
    The drugs will not make you lean........... they help in getting to your goals and also help you from loseing muscle from dieting.............. but what will get you lean is the cardio and diet.

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    thanks, i think im goin to do the bulker with more cardio....trtying to find info right now about a comparison on eq and deca ....only reason i wanted eca was for my joints...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironarms
    thanks, i think im goin to do the bulker with more cardio....trtying to find info right now about a comparison on eq and deca....only reason i wanted eca was for my joints...
    That's your best bet is try not to make your bf rise to high durring the bulker.

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