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I would venture a guess as to Dbol bein harsher on you.
nope they are around the same probably M1T being very very slightly higher in terms of toxicity.
thanks
Are you saying M1T @ 10mg is a little more toxic than 40mg dbol, or mg for mg more toxic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan2
No hes saying about the same mg for mg in terms of liver toxicity.
Well, I was hoping that, cause otherwise, my liver could be trashed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Angel of death
so if i take 10 mg of m1t it is alot easier on me than 40 mg db day
No I am saying in terms of toxicity that 10MGs of M1T are closer to 40mgs of DBOL maybe very slightly more toxic then 20-40mgs DBOL.
Of course there can be no real estimate in MG for MG comparason but Ive noticed that fact on liver enzyme blood tests as well as talked to well over 15-25 different people that all state the same 10mgs M1T is harder then an average cycle of DBOL
M1T should probably be put in the same category as HALO
Limit cycles to no more then twice a year and limit to 4 week cycles.
Devastating effects on cholesterol/blood pressure and natty test shutdown in as little as 3 to 4 days!!!
The only time I would say that anyone needs 20mgs or higher is if they are a TRUE non responder and over or close to 300 pounds.
I notice 10mgs is fine for me and im 190.
A buddy of mine is 270 and he takes 20mgs
but for 200 pounds and under I would say that 10-15MG is all that is needed!
i wanna get me some halo and see how that goes...
WOW I didnt know that. SOOO than dbol should be legal too than! hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryan2
O wait they are making M1T illigal!! **** COMMUNISTS!
Sh** m1t will make you sleep the next day DBOL won’t
That is some scary sh!t, really. I need to have my values checked. I wonder just how effective milk thistle is at liver recovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan2
within 1 month of milk thistle at 1 gram a day you should be well in the normal range of liver values try adding NAC to your regimine as well ALA also helps.
Bryan, props for the good info, brother. I will keep hitting the milk thistle, and look into adding the other supps.
I've tried m1t and I'll say, it's way to overhyped. I'll stick to drol and dbol.
everyone responds differently major downfall of M1T is the lethargy!!!
I havnt even read one article,profile,study done on M1T. It has never intrested me enough to even look at it. So I didnt know any better to tell my freind to stop taking 50mgs of M1T every day. He took it like that for a long time too. I did tell him he couldnt take it for a long time like he was but never knew the stuff was that toxic!!!
Thats crazy..
At best if it was recent tell him to get his liver values checked
50mgs is jaundice range for M1T if its not underdosed stuff.
how the hell did this stuff ever make it to the shelves when its stronger than some steroids?
Heh, good question. Another good question - how come this stuff is so **** cheap? Seriously, $10 for a bottle that will run a full 4 week cycle at 10mg - wtf? I'm not complaining, but it just seems strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by tattoomike
yeah, now that it's going to be illegal. used to range anywhere from $40-80 for a bottle to do one cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whitey
Well, maybe that's it, bro. I have been buying it at $10 for 60 5mg tablets since last May or June. Still, $40-80 bucks for a full cycle of something is pretty cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by wired-up
yeah not too bad. i got a bottle of dbol for $35 and its enough for 2 4wk cycles at 30mg ED.
That would be like 10 cents a pill, right?
is it illegal to sell m1t in the states yet, you cant get it here
Not sure, Mike - I've only bought online, where they will be selling right up to Jan. 19th.Quote:
Originally Posted by tattoomike
are you in canada?
No, US.Quote:
Originally Posted by tattoomike
Jan 19th is deadline to buy
Well it started off with androstendione which was first `prohormone found to convert to test.
it converted weakly at 5%
scientists found nor andro which converted to deca and 1,4 andro which converted to Boldenone
then came the diols which converted at a 15% rate to the target hormone.
Then Patrick Arnold came out with 1AD which converted into 1test or Dihydroboldenone
from there it got interesting and they started methylating things well the government noticed and that is the main reason they took it off the shelves.
Id say the best Legal steroids available are M4OHN nandrolone tweaked for no estrogen, SUPERDROL is the Very best its actually an oral methylated version of masteron.
4OHT which is identical to clostebol.
M1,4add aint bad but you need like 180mgs to get 27 mgs of DBOL.
And MDHT which is slightly stronger then winny.
They just started bringing out new designer drugs and the gov. cracked down.
so is there anything we will be seeing soon coming out, like m1t , that the govt hasnt caught yet?
What do you know about the dosing of these compounds, and their relative toxicity to other compounds (including M1T)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan2
I seriously doubt it, bro. Now that these compounds have been lumped into the same class as regular gear, there is no incentive for anyone to design new ones. Prohormone companies and resellers are doing all they can to sell as much as they can before the 19th. After that, you will have to buy these compounds on the black market, and quite frankly they just don't compare with most steroids in terms of results weighed against side effects.Quote:
Originally Posted by tattoomike
I am interested in what Bryan has to say about the pro-hormones/steroids mentioned a few posts up, as there is still a window to obtain them legally. But I will be thinking in terms of my liver when evaluating them.
M4OHN is nandrolone with a hyrodxl mod added to the 4 position that ensures it cant convert to estro or DHN. It is very very mild and some compare to anavar. Best used on a cutting cycle to maintain or add a few pounds LBM on a calorie defacet.10 bucks a bottl
Dosing is usually 32mg+ ed
4OHT is out and the cyp version is very hard to keep stable so its really a bust but if you are a good homebrewer then you should pick some up identical to CLOSTEBOL no conversion to Estrogen or DHT that being said more is needed per week if used as a standalone but it cuts bloat nicely. They offer the base version which is only really good if used in a transdermal lotta hassle to smear crap each day that should be about 200-300mgs ed. 6 bucks a gram
M1,4ADD converts into DBOL at 15% so most need high doses like I mentioned earlier.
12.50 a bottle
MDHT is A LEGAL winny replacement right now a little more androgenic but it should be dosed at 50mgs ed I was doing 100mgs ed for 2 weeks and started going jaunidce but I realized and stoped and within 4 days I was back to normal. Still pretty mild more towards the middle end of the toxicity scale.
12.50 per bottle need 4 bottles or if you can find it 7 bucks per bottle
Now SUPERDROL is the Newest and best substance out right now its actually oral masteron check the suppliment section for a complete write up on it some are sceptical but let me tell you it is doing everything it promises. 65 buck per bottle
never knew it was that hard on the liver, i think ill stick to the injectables for now, i used to hate needles but i switched from a 1 1/2 in to an inch and inject it in the upper ass or hip area
It's stupid to ban this stuff,it just forces people to participate in illegal activity.
eat sugar, you wont get lethargic if you eat more sugar.
10 mg m1t + 250 gr. sugar.
20 mg m1t 500gr sugar.
sugar? or do u mean carbohydrates?
the hell is M1T and who makes it?
Methylated 1-Testosterone. It's available from AR-R, and many other places.