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01-06-2005, 08:06 PM #1Junior Member
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I knew it all along! (low test)
So my blood work finally came in and test was at 380! The doctor said it was too high for him to prescribe anything, wtf? How should I deal with this problem? I'm only 19 years old and this is greatly effecting my life... I heard they prescribe people with Test Cyp and inject 250mg/ every 3rd week, is that about right?
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01-06-2005, 08:26 PM #2Associate Member
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why is it low, have u done any cycles. or is it normal?
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01-06-2005, 08:53 PM #3Junior Member
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no cycles or anything in the past, I guess it is natural. He said that it was too high of a level for him to prescribe me anything, but it is mid-low levels.
So it looks like I might have to take matters in my own hands? I don't want to do this unsafely, just want to restore it back to the normal levels for my age (800-900)
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01-06-2005, 09:35 PM #4
What symptoms are you running into from the low test levels. If you are having difficulties then your doctor should help you, how bout a 2nd opinion?
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01-06-2005, 09:38 PM #5
It is normally inections of 100mg per week.
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01-06-2005, 09:39 PM #6Banned
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Originally Posted by thegodfatherLast edited by toolman; 01-06-2005 at 09:55 PM.
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01-06-2005, 09:42 PM #7Originally Posted by toolman
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01-06-2005, 10:02 PM #8Junior Member
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I will definately look into a second opinion.
The sides I was having is fatigue, minimal sex drive, lack of strength, moodiness, and just recently started forming a gut?
From my understanding though, the people that are baseline they don't want to prescribe anything because it could lead to future problems... but, I view this as completely wrong because body builders should be raging with testestorone from all the weight lifting, so they should be elevated a little higher than your average everyday male
When they do injections, do I have to go through that every week for the rest of my life? I really want to avoid the gel and patches (this is what they prescribe to most people)
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01-06-2005, 10:07 PM #9
How long have you been experiencing these side effects for? If you're baseline maybe there is something they can put you on sort of like a PCT to help jump start your natural production... Might want to look into that before you start sticking, because if you're test levels are already suppressed, then having synthetic test in your body will shutdown what little existing test you have and it will probably be hard to ever get your production started again if it's already low...
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01-06-2005, 10:10 PM #10Junior Member
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I have had these problems since puberty (~15) and am 1 month shy of 20 right now. I have been taking ZMA, tribulus, and even maintaining a high level of saturated fat intake
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01-06-2005, 10:10 PM #11Originally Posted by thegodfather
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01-06-2005, 10:12 PM #12
380 is not that low. Thats actually avg. Low is like 270 and under.
100mgs each week of test E or test C will be enough. Personally,
at 19, I would not recommend trying HRT at that age. You have to be
on HRT for life..
Your statement:
The sides I was having is fatigue, minimal sex drive, lack of strength,
moodiness, and just recently started forming a gut?
This could be related to many other problems such as being
overworked, overmedicated, lack of exercise, depression, etc.
Perhaps an evaluation from another dr that knows his shizzle
would be beneficial. Good luck bro.
... ~dowLast edited by dogsofwar; 01-06-2005 at 10:16 PM.
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01-06-2005, 10:12 PM #13Junior Member
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tongkat is a little pricey and I haven't seen any studies out there that actually prove it's effectiveness
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01-06-2005, 10:14 PM #14
I'm sure its gotta be furstrating for you being so young with that problem...I'm sure its on your mind a good portion of the day as well. Why not try the supplements and see how it goes, you might even get a good placebo effect from it, as you may not be obsessing about your problem as much...
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01-06-2005, 10:14 PM #15Junior Member
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Originally Posted by dogsofwar
for clerification: average for my age group was ~800 according to the doctor. He said I fell in the mid-low range, and people in this range he really can't work with
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01-06-2005, 10:18 PM #16Originally Posted by SteveeeO
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01-06-2005, 10:22 PM #17Junior Member
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Originally Posted by dogsofwar
Overmedicated? I really don't understand this, but I do not take any medications of any sort.
Lack of exercise? Obviously a no.
Depression? Who knows..
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01-06-2005, 10:25 PM #18Junior Member
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Originally Posted by dogsofwar
1000 was very high, 800 was high, 600-700 average, 500 mid, 300- low
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01-06-2005, 10:27 PM #19Originally Posted by SteveeeO
of side effects from 380.
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01-06-2005, 10:30 PM #20Junior Member
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I see your point, but obviously something is effecting me and this has been the most closely related one.
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01-06-2005, 10:32 PM #21Originally Posted by SteveeeO
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01-06-2005, 10:38 PM #22Junior Member
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Originally Posted by seanw
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01-06-2005, 10:39 PM #23
I agree, as stated earlier the second opinion is defintely needed here, and going to a specialist is defintely your best bet...
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01-06-2005, 10:39 PM #24Originally Posted by SteveeeO
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01-06-2005, 10:40 PM #25
Dont be cheap with your health bro....all of us here just wanna see you do the smartest thing for yourself and try to help...
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01-06-2005, 10:42 PM #26Originally Posted by seanw
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01-06-2005, 10:45 PM #27Junior Member
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Originally Posted by seanw
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01-06-2005, 10:47 PM #28Associate Member
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yah dude. Get a hookup from the gym and get some test. I just started a cycle with some test E and i have had ragining boners all day and its only 2 weeks in to my 14 weeker.
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01-06-2005, 10:48 PM #29Originally Posted by SteveeeO
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01-06-2005, 10:49 PM #30Junior Member
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Originally Posted by littleguns
also I could swear that test takes 4 weeks to kick in, so I think that's all in your mindLast edited by SteveeeO; 01-06-2005 at 10:53 PM.
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01-06-2005, 10:52 PM #31Junior Member
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Originally Posted by seanw
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01-06-2005, 10:55 PM #32Originally Posted by SteveeeO
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01-06-2005, 10:58 PM #33
Testosterone production begins in the brain. When the hypothalamus detects a deficiency of testosterone in the blood, it secretes a hormone called gonadotrophin-releasing hormone to the pituitary gland. This prompts the pituitary to secrete luteinizing hormone (LH), which then prompts the Leydig cells in the testes to produce testosterone.
In some men, the testes lose their ability to produce testosterone, no matter how much LH is being produced. This type of testosterone deficiency is diagnosed when blood tests show high levels of LH and low levels of testosterone . In other words, the pituitary gland is telling the testes (by secreting LH) to produce testosterone, but the testes have lost their functional ability. So the pituitary gland vainly continues to secrete LH because there is not enough tes-tosterone in the blood to provide a feedback mechanism that would tell the pituitary to shut down. In other cases, the hypothalamus, or pituitary gland, fails to produce sufficient amounts of LH, thus preventing healthy testes from secreting testosterone. Blood testing can determine whether sufficient amounts of LH are being secreted by the pituitary gland and help determine the appropriate therapeutic approach. If serum (blood) testosterone levels are very low, it is important to diagnose the cause, but no matter what the underlying problem, therapies exist today to safely restore testosterone levels.
You cant be sure what the problem is until it is diagnosed. My thinking is that your test levels are the least of your problems.... Sopmething is causing this to be at a abnormal level.. Don't be ignorant about the fact that your health is in jeopardy... Find out what the root of the problem is. Go find a specialist..
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01-06-2005, 11:43 PM #34Senior Member
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How do you get a blood test done? Do i just go to any dr. office and ask? Im at school right now, and i can ask my health center for a good one, and i have insurance that covers absolutely everything, so ill be fine there.........
whats a blood test entail? do i ask for a test only one?
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01-06-2005, 11:47 PM #35
This what you can have done with the ranges included
Someone on here posted this a while back and I saved it.
Now on with the Referance ranges - BTW, these are from Quest Diagnostics (biggest lab network in the US):
CBC with Differential and Platelet
White Blood Cell count: 3.8 - 10.8 Thous/mcL
Red Blood Cell count: 4.2 - 5.8 Mill/mcl
Hemoglobin: 13.2 - 17.1 g/dL
Hematocrit: 38.5 - 50.0%
MCV: 80 - 100 fL
MCH: 27 - 33 pg
MCHC: 32 - 36 g/dL
RDW: 11 - 15%
Platelet Count: 140 - 400 Thous/mcL
MPV: 7.5 - 11.5 fL
Neutrophils, Absolute: 1500 - 7800 Cells/mcL
Lymphocytes, Absolute: 850 - 3900 Cells/mcL
Monocytes, Absolute: 200 - 950 Cells/mcL
Eosinophils, Absolute: 15 - 500 Cells/mcL
Basophils, Absolute: 0 - 200 Cells/mcL
Glucose, non-fasting: 65 - 125 mg/dL
Glucose, fasting: 65 - 109 mg/dL
Automated Chemistries
Urea Nitrogen: 7 -25 mg/dL
Creatinine: 0.5 - 1.4 mg/dL
BUN/Creatinine: 6 - 25
Sodium: 135 - 146 mmol/L
Potassium: 3.5 - 5.3 mmol/L
Chloride: 98 - 110 mmol/L
Carbon Dioxide: 21 - 33 mmol/L
Calcium: 8.5 - 10.4 mg/dL
Phosphorus: 2.5 - 4.5 mg/dL
Alkaline Phosphatase: 20 -125 U/L
Liver enzyme, AST: 2 - 50 U/L
Liver enzyme, ALT: 2 - 60 U/L
Bilirubin, Total: 0.2 - 1.5 mg/dL
Bilirubin, Direct: 0.0 - 0.3 mg/dL
Protein, Total: 6.9 - 8.3 g/dL
Albumin: 3.7 - 5.1 g/dL
Globulin, Calculated: 2.2 - 4.2 g/dL
A/G ratio: 0.8 - 2.0
LD: 100 - 250 U/L
Uric Acid: 2.7 - 8.2 mg/dL
GGT: 2 - 80 U/L
Cholesterol, Total: < 200 mg/dL
Triglycerides: < 150 mg/dL
Iron: 40 - 190 ug/dL
Thyroid Panel
T3, Total: 60 - 181 ng/dL
T4, Free: 0.8 - 1.8 ng/dL
T4, Total: 4.5 - 12.8 ug/dL
TSH: 0.4 - 5.5 mIU/L
Homocysteine (Cardio) , FPIA
Homocysteine: < 11.4 MICROmol/L
PSA - Prostate Specific Antigen
PSA, Total: < 4.1 ng/mL
PSA, Free and Free %: See ref. scale below
Reference scale:
PSA, 0 - 2 ng/mL = approx. 1% Probability of Cancer
PSA, 2 - 4 ng/mL = approx. 15% Probability of Cancer
PSA, 4.1 - 10 ng/mL & Free 0-10% = approx. 56% Probability of Cancer
PSA, 4.1 - 10 ng/mL & Free 11-15% = approx. 28% Probability of Cancer
PSA, 4.1 - 10 ng/mL & Free 16-20% = approx. 20% Probability of Cancer
PSA, 4.1 - 10 ng/mL & Free 21-25% = approx. 16% Probability of Cancer
PSA, 4.1 - 10 ng/mL & Free > 26% = approx. 8% Probability of Cancer
PSA > 10 = > 50% Probability of Cancer
Testosterone , LH & Estradiol
Testosterone, Total: 260 - 1000 ng/dL
Testosterone, Free: 50 - 210 pg/mL
Testosterone, Free %: 1.0 - 2.7%
Estradiol: < 32 pg/mL
LH: 1.5 - 9.3 mIU/mL
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01-06-2005, 11:57 PM #36
SteveeeO, did your doctor do a full blood workup? Thyroid deficiency can have similar symptoms.
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01-07-2005, 12:55 AM #37Originally Posted by Maetenloch
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01-07-2005, 01:21 AM #38New Member
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Ask Waht Your Free And Bound Levels Are,that Can Make All The Difference In The World.i Do My Own Shots To As Well And I Take 200wk.
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01-07-2005, 02:07 AM #39
u said u developed a gut, with raising weight or with the same weight? u r only 19 I would never recommend hrt with 19. your testlevels may still adjust, cause your body and your endocrine system is still developing and growing. your doctor may be right to not give u hrt right now. if you still have the symptoms in a few years, then it may be necessary to take action.
I would first get a second opinion (it sux that u have to pay for it, in Germany this basic health care is free and if u can t afford insurance, gov. will insure u) and then try some of that natural stuff.
btw i feel like u all the time just got blood drained yesterday so I see in a couple of days whats up with me.
dogsofwar is right. those probs could be connected to many, many problems...
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01-07-2005, 07:04 AM #40Originally Posted by SteveeeO
I've never seen anyone symptomatic from test levels in the 300 range.
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