next bulker

**shredderNK** · 10-12-2005, 08:24 PM

This is what i am planning for my next bulker

1-4 Drol 100mg/ed

1-16 Test E- 750-1000mg

1-14 Tren E 500mg

1-14 Deca 600mg

15-17 DNP 400mg/ed

18-21 clomid and nolva
I am currently running test c 600mg/week, tren h 350mg week, deca 450mg/week. My gains have been great with no sides from the deca/tren combo. Right now i am 5'4, 180lb, around 10%bf. I would appreciate any suggestions or opinions.

**thndrgod33** · 10-12-2005, 08:34 PM

that seems like alot of gear, what were your previous cycles?

**Pinnacle** · 10-12-2005, 09:12 PM

I'd hold off on the DNP til after PCT.You want to start it right before PCT while your still able to train hard.The DNP will kill that.Also,you want your cals high at PCT and also be able to train.After PCT is when you should cut,and go through the misery of DNP.

~Pinnacle~

**Testsubject** · 10-12-2005, 09:21 PM

either you've done your share of juice and have some knowledge, or you have done no juice at all, and if you've never done juice before thats gonna **** you up.

**shredderNK** · 10-13-2005, 08:06 AM

The reason i wanted to run the DNP at the last couple of weeks is because i would still be running test to keep me from losing any muscle while i cut for two weeks, then when i start my PCT i will be off DNP and up my calories

**shredderNK** · 10-13-2005, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by thndrgod33

that seems like alot of gear, what were your previous cycles?

This will be my fifth cycle
1-test
2-test,deca ,dbo
3-test,tren
4-test,deca,tren h

**Pinnacle** · 10-13-2005, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by shredderNK

The reason i wanted to run the DNP at the last couple of weeks is because i would still be running test to keep me from losing any muscle while i cut for two weeks, then when i start my PCT i will be off DNP and up my calories

To me that doesn't make sense.Why do you want to cut before PCT,then have to heavily increase your cals at PCT?
Other than the DNP timing,I like the cycle.I've ran quite similar myself.

~Pinnacle~

**Consistency** · 10-13-2005, 10:50 AM

I wouldnt run tren and Deca together... way to hard on your hpta and body and recovery will take forever.

**Swifto** · 10-13-2005, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Consistency

I wouldnt run tren and Deca together... way to hard on your hpta and body and recovery will take forever.

I agree.

Recovery will be very hard. Both compounds are extremely suppressive.

**MASTERDBOL** · 10-13-2005, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

To me that doesn't make sense.Why do you want to cut before PCT,then have to heavily increase your cals at PCT?
Other than the DNP timing,I like the cycle.I've ran quite similar myself.

~Pinnacle~

i agree with pinnacle. it doesnt make sense to cut, and then throw that phase away by having to up your cals for pct. it would basically be a waste.

**MASTERDBOL** · 10-13-2005, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Consistency

I wouldnt run tren and Deca together... way to hard on your hpta and body and recovery will take forever.

isnt tren e easier on that than tren ace though? so it wouldnt be as harsh?

**Mesomorphyl** · 10-13-2005, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I agree.

Recovery will be very hard. Both compounds are extremely suppressive.

If it were because of prolactin issues, MAYBE. But because of suppressive... You will be shut down hard with either of those. But if deca causes 100% suppression adding tren does not make you over 100% suppressed.

**MASTERDBOL** · 10-13-2005, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

If it were because of prolactin issues, MAYBE. But because of suppressive... You will be shut down hard with either of those. But if deca causes 100% suppression adding tren does not make you over 100% suppressed.

right. its going to happen regardless. so why not get the full benefit outta the cycle?

**Swifto** · 10-13-2005, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

If it were because of prolactin issues, MAYBE. But because of suppressive... You will be shut down hard with either of those. But if deca causes 100% suppression adding tren does not make you over 100% suppressed.

Prolactin issues aside.

Your saying, recovery from a Deca only cycle compared to a Deca and Tren cycle would be the same difficulty, due to already being 100% suppressed?

**Mesomorphyl** · 10-13-2005, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Prolactin issues aside.

Your saying, recovery from a Deca only cycle compared to a Deca and Tren cycle would be the same difficulty, due to already being 100% suppressed?

That is exactly what I am saying.

**Swifto** · 10-13-2005, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

That is exactly what I am saying.

I learn something new every day.

**Pinnacle** · 10-13-2005, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I learn something new every day.

While I/we have your attention.I'd like to compliment you on the way you answer posts.
I notice you say"I haven't tried this yet,but this is what I've read".I wish more ppl who gave advice answered like that. As opposed to ones who act like they ran everything,only to find out they haven't even ran a cycle.

Props to you!!

~Pinnacle~

**Swifto** · 10-13-2005, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

While I/we have your attention.I'd like to compliment you on the way you answer posts.
I notice you say"I haven't tried this yet,but this is what I've read".I wish more ppl who gave advice answered like that. As opposed to ones who act like they ran everything,only to find out they haven't even ran a cycle.

Props to you!!

~Pinnacle~

Thanks Pin.

**shredderNK** · 10-13-2005, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

To me that doesn't make sense.Why do you want to cut before PCT,then have to heavily increase your cals at PCT?
Other than the DNP timing,I like the cycle.I've ran quite similar myself.

~Pinnacle~

Thanks for the advice bro, much appreciated. i guess i will save the DNP for after PCT. Do you think that DNP would be really catabolic without test? Im curious..what was your cycle that was similiar?

**shredderNK** · 10-13-2005, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Mesomorphyl

If it were because of prolactin issues, MAYBE. But because of suppressive... You will be shut down hard with either of those. But if deca causes 100% suppression adding tren does not make you over 100% suppressed.

I agree 100%. I have run them both seperately and together and my recovery was the same either way.

**Pinnacle** · 10-13-2005, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by shredderNK

Thanks for the advice bro, much appreciated. i guess i will save the DNP for after PCT. Do you think that DNP would be really catabolic without test? Im curious..what was your cycle that was similiar?

I can't answer your question regarding if you'll be catabolic running DNP without Test.I never researched it well enough to know.I never ran DNP either.I was just giving you an educated answer based on what I've researched.
As for the cycle.I've done very similar,minus the DNP.

~Pinnacle~

**shredderNK** · 10-13-2005, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

I can't answer your question regarding if you'll be catabolic running DNP without Test.I never researched it well enough to know.I never ran DNP either.I was just giving you an educated answer based on what I've researched.
As for the cycle.I've done very similar,minus the DNP.

~Pinnacle~

how were the results of your cycle?