Cycling without PCT

**tubbytank** · 01-08-2005, 03:39 AM

Without everyone jumping on me, I am looking for constructive views, both for and against, cycling without proper PCT. I know most of the againsts, but I read some threads where people had good gains and kept it without pct on low dose but longer cycles.
I wouldn't even venture here, except for the fact I simply cannot get Clomid or HCG . Just can't get it. Too tight here in Australia.

If one was to do a low-moderate dose course of Sustanon 250 or Test E, for an extended period of time (say at least 16 weeks), and use stacks of tribulus at the end, would this be feasible? This would be my first cycle.

Or should I just not consider it. I doubt I will ever, ever, be able to get my hands on clomid or HCG. And no I cannot order it through here, too risky.

Constructive critiscisms/answers only please.

**irish bulldog** · 01-08-2005, 07:26 AM

not sure tbh but i would prefer tp do pct,all that hard work to lose your gains would hit depressing especially while off gear.why is it hard to get gear into austrailia?

**seanw** · 01-08-2005, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by irish bulldog

not sure tbh but i would prefer tp do pct,all that hard work to lose your gains would hit depressing especially while off gear.why is it hard to get gear into austrailia?

Because customs there is the strictest in the world. Believe it or not Australia is free of lots of diseases such as Foot and Mouth etc. And they are trying to keep it that way so they check everything. If you ever fly into Oz when you go through customs there will be about thirty people waiting to greet you, Everytime I take my golf clubs in they wash them and my Golf shoes cause they dont want anybody elses dirt containing diseases getting it. Same reason for checking parcels, everything is x-rays and they know what to look for as far as drug container shapes are concerned,

**Bryan2** · 01-08-2005, 07:39 AM

can you at least get nolva ?

a nolva / trib/longjack pct would work but it would take a little longer then the standard 3 weeks probably more close to 5 or 6.

**Property of Steroid.com** · 01-08-2005, 09:10 AM

Badham cycles w/o PCT. I think it works for him...

**SMYL_GR8** · 01-08-2005, 09:15 AM

You can get sust and test e, but not clomid? Try to find a local doctor that can help you or something.

**maxex** · 01-08-2005, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by tubbytank

Without everyone jumping on me, I am looking for constructive views, both for and against, cycling without proper PCT. I know most of the againsts, but I read some threads where people had good gains and kept it without pct on low dose but longer cycles.
I wouldn't even venture here, except for the fact I simply cannot get Clomid or HCG . Just can't get it. Too tight here in Australia.

If one was to do a low-moderate dose course of Sustanon 250 or Test E, for an extended period of time (say at least 16 weeks), and use stacks of tribulus at the end, would this be feasible? This would be my first cycle.

Or should I just not consider it. I doubt I will ever, ever, be able to get my hands on clomid or HCG. And no I cannot order it through here, too risky.

Constructive critiscisms/answers only please.

Around here the ratio to guys that do pct to guys that dont is like 2:10. Its considerd a waste of money unless your having bad sides

**GetinBig** · 01-08-2005, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by maxex

Around here the ratio to guys that do pct to guys that dont is like 2:10. Its considerd a waste of money unless your having bad sides

ALWAYS DO PCT!

**maxex** · 01-08-2005, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by getinbig

ALWAYS DO PCT!

heres one of the reasons why: There are only 3 other guys in my gym that frequently come to forums like this one. Most people never heard of sites like this, and they dont care they know everything "they've been doing it for years"

**GetinBig** · 01-08-2005, 10:33 AM

What ever floats their boats..

I hope you are smart enough to do Clomid... I am sure you are if your reading up on this board.

**maxex** · 01-08-2005, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by getinbig

What ever floats their boats..

I hope you are smart enough to do Clomid... I am sure you are if your reading up on this board.

Ive always done pct, but reading up on this board helped do the "proper' pct

**juiceinthehood** · 01-08-2005, 10:52 AM

i know alot of ppl. who dont do pct
but they also do dbol and winni cycles

**Stout1** · 01-08-2005, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by juiceinthehood

i know alot of ppl. who dont do pct
but they also do dbol and winni cycles

LMAO!!! That sums it up right there!

**juiceinthehood** · 01-08-2005, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Stout1

LMAO!!! That sums it up right there!

lol great avatar very cute

**BASK8KACE** · 01-08-2005, 02:20 PM

If you don't use PCT, you'll probably lose a lot of weight between cycles. Having said that let me say this...

There are a lot of big guys in the gym who have had no access to message boards like this, who have never heard of PCT, and who don't use PCT. The best thing for you to do is experiment. Try a cycle without PCT and see if it works for you. To hold on to the maximum amount of weight after a cycle, remember that you have to continue to eat and work out well between cycles--especially if you're not using PCT.

If you're one of the lucky ones that bounces back quickly after a cycle, then you might not have to worry about PCT as much as others. How fast you recover your natural hormone levels will depend on your body chemistry, the steroids you use, the length of your cycle and how well you treat your body post cycle.

Best of luck.

**bignatt** · 01-08-2005, 02:21 PM

Some people just dont need pct but i wouldnt chance it i know about 10 guys from my old gym who didnt do pct and they were all fine but i have known a few who havnt and have gone limp for a few weeks so once again i wouldnt chance it get some tongkat ali, or some trib at least

**Bouncer1982** · 01-09-2005, 03:22 AM

Clomid is near impossible to find In Australia, but can always seem to get Nolva and HCG . For the people that got clomid ended up paying more for it than their gear.