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01-11-2005, 08:18 PM #1
1 week of clomid during cycle for nutz
If I feel my nuts have shrunk a bit too much during a cycle I'll do a week of 50mg Clomid ED along with 4g of trib a day & it always returns my nuts to a nice plump state - I'll prolly do this once a month or so................
I would have thought it would help with recovery as your nutz are revived once in a while & never allowed to be shrunk for too long
Anyone else do this, or see any reason why its a bad idea?
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01-11-2005, 08:28 PM #2Junior Member
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bump! I'm curious to know too. Reason being that I can't get HCG that is 1500iu, as they only have 5000 iu. If I were to use 500 iu every 3 days for even a week, I'd have to throw away 4500ius each time. That would be a waste, so that's why I thought maybe clomid can work too if used for a week maybe twice in a 12 week cycle, ie week 4 and 8.
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01-11-2005, 08:31 PM #3Originally Posted by Zennie
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01-11-2005, 08:32 PM #4Originally Posted by bullram
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01-11-2005, 08:37 PM #5
if he was taking 500ius every 3 days then thats five shots, 2500ius before it goes bad. I have always preloaded syringes from mixing a 5000iu kit kept them in the fridge and used them every 4 days, never had any problems
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01-11-2005, 08:53 PM #6Originally Posted by ChefJ
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Back to the point...that's interesting, I'm taking Clomid during cycle but still shut down, I just assumed that there was no way around it. Might add trib just for the hell of it to see what happens.
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01-12-2005, 08:02 AM #8
IMO, i wouldn't use clomid during a cycle - reason being you are taking the clomid to tell your body to start producing its own natural test, by telling your body to start producing its own and then injecting extra into your system which tells it to slow production down, you're gonna throw it all off and might end up on HRT for life.
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01-12-2005, 09:12 AM #9you're gonna throw it all off and might end up on HRT for life.
this is actually how the body works natrually - test has a negative feedback loop to control its' own prodution.
IMO, i wouldn't use clomid during a cycle - reason being you are taking the clomid to tell your body to start producing its own natural test
I know of a couple of pros who run clomid throughout their whole cycle for this purpose - that seemed a little excessive to me so I tried the 1 weeks approach - it definately works, just interested if anyones got any reasons why its a bad idea.
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01-13-2005, 04:44 AM #10
Clomid - for PCT only
HCG (500iu E3D) - during cycle to prevent shrinkage
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01-13-2005, 05:41 AM #11Associate Member
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Originally Posted by youknowme
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01-13-2005, 05:50 AM #12Junior Member
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every 3 days is basically 2x a week, either way is fine.
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01-13-2005, 06:46 AM #13
HCG has a halflife somwhere around 70-80h so preferbly is to inject E3D or Mon/Thurs.
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Originally Posted by Duke of Earl
Tribulis has been shown to inhibit conversion of testosterone to estrogen, it also inhibits conversion to DHT and can even interfere with conversion of various products to progesterone or prolactin, so tribulis can be said so be something of an herbal anti-E, but dont count in its as your only protection. Tongkat can interfere with formation of sex hormone binding globilins so this herbal can lower your tollerance to testosterone and make your body more responsive to lesser amounts of testosterone. CLomid directly blocks estrogen from your testicles and your hypothalmus and your pituitary gland so it can directly protect you from damage to these areas from excess estrogen in your body, however it protects your nuts the best, its not very effective with blocking estrogen from your breast tissues.
Also it depends on what you are doing. High doses of testosterone shrink the balls, lower doses dont effect it so much. Deca and tren shrink the balls like crazy, but if you stay on testosterone only cycle for several weeks AFTER the deca or tren wears out, you will actually notice your balls increasing in size in spite of remaining shut down because of the testosterone. This is if the testosterone doses are under 600 mg with estrogen protection. A lot of long cyclers have started with first 2 months on deca, then continued 3 months after the deca ran out on moderate doses of testosterone only and the balls come back, cum loads increase back to near normal, recovery goes over much better then if you tried recovery immediately after deca. So it goes to show, ball shrinkage and recovery difficulty is very much related to what you are doing, with testosteorne only being one of the most friendly to health and recovery for the male body of all the steroids .Last edited by Ntpadude; 01-13-2005 at 09:19 AM.
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
I was also going to run trib and tongkat ali as well.
What is the dosing on clomid if run during cycle...?
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01-13-2005, 08:43 PM #16Junior Member
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id just hit up 500iu's sat/sun throughout cycle for hcg
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typo...I meant 500ius. Is there any research to indicate which is better...clomid vs. HCG
Also, what levels of HCG have been shown to negatively affect leydig cells...?
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01-13-2005, 09:37 PM #18
use HCG
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what kind of schedule...Saturday and Sunday or on bi-weekly injection days.
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01-13-2005, 09:53 PM #20
depends... im goin to do it 1 wk mid cycle and towards the end of my cycle...
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how much you gonna do...?
Also, if I already have aromasin for sides during cycle, any need to add a little nolva in there to help with the HPTA. This is where I have heard that a little clomid works wonders on protecting the nuts from being over powered by estrogen.
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Originally Posted by hatchblack
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01-14-2005, 01:12 AM #23Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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What about clomid a couple of times throughout the week instead...? I have a feeling I am going to get tired of sticking myself.
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01-14-2005, 01:27 AM #25Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by hatchblack
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
If I want to keep some size in the nuts throughout and HCG doesn't do the trick in only 4 weeks, how do you feel about clomid...?
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Originally Posted by hatchblack
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01-14-2005, 02:53 AM #28Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
How do you feel about running trib and tongkat ali throughout...?
Clomid during cycle...?
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01-14-2005, 04:00 AM #29
I would sooner recommend HCG than Clomid with the tribulis to resensitize the testes... Clomid use for too long or too often has reported visual disturbances/bluring... this problem is docummented in the medical journals... but a few weeks after a cycle every once in awhile - no problems. It's prolonged and frequent use that is a concern...
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01-14-2005, 06:15 AM #30Originally Posted by Warrior
Good facts warrior.
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Originally Posted by hatchblack
I wouldnt worry about it, clomid with combination of tongkat ali/tribulis and make sure you are a good period of time past your last deca or tren (like 5 weeks continue test past the deca/tren if you need to) and your recovery shouldnt be so bad at all!
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good read > http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp
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01-14-2005, 04:57 PM #33
Thanks for the input guys.
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Good stuff. I am only doing Test and Eq and coming off with prop.
I am going to run trib and tongkat ali throughout to keep the boys up in the safe range. I will also do Nolva at 10mgs EOD
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