Sorry but I need some Advice from the Pros!!!

**NickV344** · 01-14-2005, 12:06 AM

I know you guys hate this and I hate myself for posting. But I need help with my cycle, I'm about to start and I want to make sure I have everything. This is my 1st cycle, im 21 yrs old, 190 lbs 14% bf and been training for 4 yrs.
*PS- I know I should inject the fina and prop ED but I'm pretty set on doing it EOD.

Heres my cycle.

Drug Weeks Dosage

Fina 1-8 100mg eod

Prop 1-10 150mg eod

Vit b6 1-PCT 200mg ed

Letro 1-10 1.25 eod

PCT

*start PCT 3 days after last prop shot

day 1 - clomid 300mg, nolva 20mg, vit b6 200mg

day 2-30 - clomid 100mg, nolva 20mg, vit. b6 200mg

day 31-37 - nolva 20mg, vit. b6 200mg

* Do I have everything lined up and setup correctly? If not I need feedback. Thanks guys.

**dive_kid** · 01-14-2005, 12:23 AM

that looks ok but if you can I would shoot the prop and tren ed.
every thing else looks good to me

**TheChosenOne** · 01-14-2005, 12:23 AM

I second that! Definetly shoot everyday because the sides are far worse when shootin EOD than ED.

**NickV344** · 01-14-2005, 05:16 PM

i know it should be shot ed but would i be able to get similar results from eod? and what kind of extra side effects will i notice if i shoot eod? thanks

**Consistency** · 01-14-2005, 05:18 PM

Sorry, Im not a Professional. I guess I cant help you.

***Mr. Sparkle*** · 01-14-2005, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

Sorry, Im not a Professional. I guess I cant help you.

**-2z-** · 01-14-2005, 05:50 PM

I've read several cycle logs of people doing prop/tren cycles that shoot eod and they have mentioned that they experience no difference in sides or gains from the ed shots they've done in past cycles.

BUT.....some people do experience sides that are more pronounced doing EOD shots.
So, it's better for them to do ED sticks.
What I'm saying is, you can't go wrong with ed inj, and some people are ok with eod. You'll just have to find out.

**HollywoodM3** · 01-14-2005, 05:56 PM

cycle looks good, I was like you, and wanted to do eod, I ran it like that and the next cycle i did ed, and it was night and day with gains and sides...

I would also try to extend the tren to 10wks and the prop to 12wks

**skiing** · 01-14-2005, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Sparkle

**NickV344** · 01-14-2005, 06:02 PM

thanks for all the help guys, i'll probably switch to ed halfway throughout the cycle once i get used to it more

**Anhydro78** · 01-14-2005, 06:42 PM

Testosterone Propionate Everyday is the way to go. I have have done it many different ways. And the difference between E/d Eo/d is small but is noticable. You can really notice the up and down ride with E3/d.

Trenbolone acetate Everyday is the only way to do it really. I have tried it at eo/d and you can tell it wears off before your next shot.

**bullram** · 01-14-2005, 07:12 PM

i would run the nolva during your cycle at 10mg for health reasons then bump to 20mg at pct, and imo 300mg clomid the first day isnt nessicary

**jgg1221** · 01-14-2005, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by skiing

i like how the im with stupid sign is pointed right up at george bush

**Smart@$$** · 01-14-2005, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

Sorry, Im not a Professional. I guess I cant help you.

Then why waste peoples time, go to the lounge to be a post whore.

**TheChosenOne** · 01-14-2005, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by -2z-

I've read several cycle logs of people doing prop/tren cycles that shoot eod and they have mentioned that they experience no difference in sides or gains from the ed shots they've done in past cycles.

BUT.....some people do experience sides that are more pronounced doing EOD shots.
So, it's better for them to do ED sticks.
What I'm saying is, you can't go wrong with ed inj, and some people are ok with eod. You'll just have to find out.

Sorry but this is totally false and unscientific. If blood levels were no issue then Enanthate would be shot weekly, Susp ED instead of 2xED, etc. I dont even remotely advocate using EOD opposed to ED

The difference between ED and EOD for me is lets see:
Increased rate of gyno
Increase in acne
More frequent and severe night sweats

The first time you get a sign of gyno you will wish you had shot ED but dont say I didnt tell you from experience on the issue.

**Moosepellet** · 01-14-2005, 11:54 PM

I personally think that you should run a longer acting testosterone . Run this cycle:

1-12 Test E 300-500mg wk
2-8 Tren 75mg ED
2-8 Whinny 50mg ED
Vit.b-6 200mgs ED
Nolva 10-20mg ED

PCT.
14-17 Clomid 100mgs ED

**NickV344** · 01-15-2005, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Moosepellet

I personally think that you should run a longer acting testosterone . Run this cycle:

1-12 Test E 300-500mg wk
2-8 Tren 75mg ED
2-8 Whinny 50mg ED
Vit.b-6 200mgs ED
Nolva 10-20mg ED

PCT.
14-17 Clomid 100mgs ED

I think I will do that cycle you just suggested and add clen /t3 to it at the end. thanks for the help man Thats a perfect cycle for what i want.

**Consistency** · 01-15-2005, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Smart@$$

Then why waste peoples time, go to the lounge to be a post whore.

If you think I am a post whore then please look at the past 1,900 post, maybe 4 or 5 have been in the lounge and 10 or so in the PCT forum. And hey are you a professional? If so, then I apoligize.

**Consistency** · 01-15-2005, 02:57 AM

Originally Posted by Moosepellet

I personally think that you should run a longer acting testosterone . Run this cycle:

1-12 Test E 300-500mg wk
2-8 Tren 75mg ED
2-8 Whinny 50mg ED
Vit.b-6 200mgs ED
Nolva 10-20mg ED

PCT.
14-17 Clomid 100mgs ED

Hey, if hes doing ED injections for 7 weeks then you might as well do it for the total 12 weeks with prop at 75mg ED.

If you dont wanna do ED injections then get some test E and tren E and do the winny orally, that way you only have to do twice a week injections.

**TheChosenOne** · 01-15-2005, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Consistency

Hey, if hes doing ED injections for 7 weeks then you might as well do it for the total 12 weeks with prop at 75mg ED.

If you dont wanna do ED injections then get some test E and tren E and do the winny orally, that way you only have to do twice a week injections.

haha thats a great point I over looked. I did ran a cycle like this before and afterwards I finally realized it would have been so much easier just to run prop ED and save myself the bloat. I do like your idea of Tren E better. I dont think a first time cycler should do ED cycles because of their lack of confidence in doing self injections but certainly it could be done if that is the only option.