DECA VS. EQ (again)

**Reciever84** · 01-15-2005, 08:37 AM

I've researched on keeping gains with Deca and Eq. I've read that keeping gains with Eq is easier and vice versa. The effectiveness chart on this site says that Deca is easier to keep. Which is it?

**Big_Lex** · 01-15-2005, 08:42 AM

they both use the same receptor and are quite similar as far as ive realised. i just eat better and feel better on EQ as far as gains go well pretty much the same for me.

**TheMudMan** · 01-15-2005, 08:52 AM

Some of the gains from deca will be water.......... so when the cycle is finished that water will be purged. EQ gains are more quality gains because you will holde very little water from the use.

The ability to hold on to your gains from AAS is how well you plan and run PCT.

**yikes!!** · 01-15-2005, 08:57 AM

I would run EQ over deca anyday

**Reciever84** · 01-15-2005, 09:14 AM

Bump

***BajanBastard*** · 01-15-2005, 09:18 AM

Both are good cutting drugs if you use the right ancillaries.

***BajanBastard*** · 01-15-2005, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

they both use the same receptor and are quite similar as far as ive realised. i just eat better and feel better on EQ as far as gains go well pretty much the same for me.

Total crap.

**Reciever84** · 01-15-2005, 09:24 AM

which gains are easier to keep, knowing that pct is done correctly?

**LAWNSAVER** · 01-15-2005, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Reciever84

which gains are easier to keep, knowing that pct is done correctly?

It all depends of the person and their diet, training level, genetics, etc. post cycle.

There are many factors involved in retaining gains. It usually isnt the actual steriod .

I mean obviously certain gear makes you retain more water than others, which when discontinued can cause the appearance of losing gains.

If you eat to maintain size and dont over train you should keep your gains no mater the cycle. Let me re-phrase...your should keep all your new muslce.

**Big_Lex** · 01-15-2005, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Total crap.

well you should use them together since you so smart.

**groverman1** · 01-15-2005, 11:33 AM

EQ 4 Me, I won't ever run deca .

**Reciever84** · 01-15-2005, 12:07 PM

Why wouldnt you run it?

***BajanBastard*** · 01-15-2005, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

well you should use them together since you so smart.

Oh boy. Go do some research and shop spewing total foolishness! Can you tell me why boldenone and nandrolone "fights" for the same sites? Nope you can't can you? Because they don't.

Androgens bind the ANDROGEN RECEPTOR and that's it. When the steroid binds it influence the cells to perform a certain action. EQ and Deca would be a good combo.

Thanks for realizing I’m so smart.

**buckwheat** · 01-15-2005, 01:15 PM

i will never do eq again.deca is a great as to use in a cycle.i need it for my joints.bad shoulder from pitching and two back surgerys.

**Big_Lex** · 01-15-2005, 03:23 PM

no one has ever stacked EQ and Deca in my Gym and i even asked a few local pros that train here they all say its nonsense

**Duckhombre** · 01-15-2005, 03:28 PM

Deca shuts you down harder I believe, as for Deca and EQ together, I agree with Big, they run together just fine. But for me, I don't really like to run more than 3 injectables at a time, so I ususally pick one or the other.

**Big_Lex** · 01-15-2005, 03:31 PM

have you ever done it? what did you gain? what did you lose? id love some info

**03636** · 01-15-2005, 04:06 PM

Not to further the hi jacking but, I stacked deca and eq last cycle and had great results. I went from 200 up to a solid 224 on that one. Yeah they are similar and because of that people are constantly comparing them. They both get it done but the gains are different. Deca gains usualy come with alot of water retention. You look huge during your cycle, but down the road a little you will lose some of that mass because you lose water weight. On the other hand if you suffer from joint pain, deca does alot for that. Equipose is mostly known for promoting leaner gains or "quality" gains the way I've seen people put it. Eq is also known to stimulate appitite which can be a big help to bulking cycles. They are both reliable compounds both offering individual properties exclusive to each compound. Your goals should be clear before you begin your cycle and choose accordingly. Bottom line is for quick noticeable mass,go deca. For quality and leaner gains go eq.

**Smart@$$** · 01-15-2005, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

no one has ever stacked EQ and Deca in my Gym and i even asked a few local pros that train here they all say its nonsense

I call B-Sh!t... Maybe they will not let you in on their secret.

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

have you ever done it? what did you gain? what did you lose? id love some info

Yes I have and it was one of the best cycles I have ever had. 225 to 242 and lost 2% bf. down to 238 with same bf% so I probably lost some water weight. As for info if you use the search button and type in deca eq combo or deca eq together you will have hundreds of posts to look through.

***BajanBastard*** · 01-15-2005, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

no one has ever stacked EQ and Deca in my Gym and i even asked a few local pros that train here they all say its nonsense

Remember kids advice from PRO bodybuilders overrides ALL scientific and anecdotal evidence! If a PRO bodybuilder says it, it MUST BE TRUE!!

**Jackman** · 01-15-2005, 07:13 PM

bro no offence but i notice that you do this alot. You will post somthing like "total crap" with no explanation at all then when they call you out on what they think is true you go into brainiac mode

almost like playing cat and mouse when you know there going to lash out at them after they try to make a point because you know your **** and i know that. How about you explain to people before just saying total crap like you do after

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Oh boy. Go do some research and shop spewing total foolishness! Can you tell me why boldenone and nandrolone "fights" for the same sites? Nope you can't can you? Because they don't.

Androgens bind the ANDROGEN RECEPTOR and that's it. When the steroid binds it influence the cells to perform a certain action. EQ and Deca would be a good combo.

Thanks for realizing I’m so smart.

**AG5678** · 01-15-2005, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

Remember kids advice from PRO bodybuilders overrides ALL scientific and anecdotal evidence! If a PRO bodybuilder says it, it MUST BE TRUE!!

There all right aren't they big. Ronnie would overide anything......

***BajanBastard*** · 01-15-2005, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jackman

bro no offence but i notice that you do this alot. You will post somthing like "total crap" with no explanation at all then when they call you out on what they think is true you go into brainiac mode

almost like playing cat and mouse when you know there going to lash out at them after they try to make a point because you know your **** and i know that. How about you explain to people before just saying total crap like you do after

So you see my game plan. Yeah I guess I could start doing what you said. You see I would like it when I pop my "foolishness" or "incorrect" line that the person would look up some research to prove me wrong, in doing this they would see that they have been mislead. The **** never works! They always come but saying the same incorrect info.

From now on I'll explain myself.

Oh well the good times are over.

**JoeyJuice** · 01-15-2005, 07:36 PM

Personally i've used both. I've used eq for 7 monthes a 600mg and saw very slow gains and I will not use EQ again. If your gonna use Eq do atleast 14 weeks because It really kicks in in week 7-8. I saw better gains with Deca for 12 weeks as far as size Use an anti estrogen to keep the water down. Alot of people on this board swear by EQ, You just have to see what works for you body, everybody is different. I'll swear by test and tren . My point is try both but not at the same time thats the only way you'll see what works for you,as far as keeping gains Either one is the same as long as you use anti estrogens with deca so theirs no water bloat and you use proper pct for both. Deca and anavar was a good stack for me also. I would use it with 250mg/500mg of test

**Jackman** · 01-15-2005, 07:51 PM

hehe im glad you did not take that the wrong way because your a great bro with lots of info! SO SHARE IT

Originally Posted by big k.l.g

So you see my game plan. Yeah I guess I could start doing what you said. You see I would like it when I pop my "foolishness" or "incorrect" line that the person would look up some research to prove me wrong, in doing this they would see that they have been mislead. The **** never works! They always come but saying the same incorrect info.

From now on I'll explain myself.

Oh well the good times are over.

**Big_Lex** · 01-16-2005, 05:48 AM

all im saying deca /EQ combo isnt done here one of my good friends owns BioTest rights for SA and they sponsor our top bodybuilders. no offence bro but judging from your picture id rather take someone's advice whos competed many many times. You also havent explained why is it a GOOD combo."They bind to Androgen receptor sites" you say? which ones exactly? shed some light please. How come no site ive come across ever has a Deca/Eq combo as advised cycle?how come layman's quide doesn't recomend it? most of the MDs that i read have never had deca/EQ combo why? even the front page of this site doesnt have it in recommended cycles why?. Please explain im here to gather new info not to verbally fight with you, maybe here in south A we dont know much, explain, thats the way to go right? you said it yourself...

**Big_Lex** · 01-16-2005, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Smart@$$

I call B-Sh!t... Maybe they will not let you in on their secret.

Yes I have and it was one of the best cycles I have ever had. 225 to 242 and lost 2% bf. down to 238 with same bf% so I probably lost some water weight. As for info if you use the search button and type in deca eq combo or deca eq together you will have hundreds of posts to look through.

Best cycle you ever had? no i deffinately dont believe your story. you took deca /Eq together? your sex drive must have been dead in 4 weeks max? didnt stack that with no testostorones? also dont believe it

**Big_Lex** · 01-16-2005, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Smart@$$

I call B-Sh!t... Maybe they will not let you in on their secret.

Yes I have and it was one of the best cycles I have ever had. 225 to 242 and lost 2% bf. down to 238 with same bf% so I probably lost some water weight. As for info if you use the search button and type in deca eq combo or deca eq together you will have hundreds of posts to look through.

oh yeah just so i dont get flamed the reason i said your sex drive would be dead is because deca is a progestin. Progesterone increases the sex drive in females as opposite in males wjere higher leves can completely shut it down. progesterone also inhibits the LH production in the body. The nerve cells responsible for sexual performance are have no activity when Deca is used on its own this is why its stacked with testostorones?judging by your nickname you not a female am i right? since EQ fights for the same AR receptor what on earth would be the point of stacking it together? i think you lying just to cause a friction on the board. prove me wrong!

**Smart@$$** · 01-16-2005, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

Best cycle you ever had? no i deffinately dont believe your story. you took deca/Eq together? your sex drive must have been dead in 4 weeks max? didnt stack that with no testostorones? also dont believe it

Yes I did test, and winny and dbol also??? I am saying I used test/deca and test/eq and test/deca/eq. I loved the combo better. I never said nothing else was in the cycle, and if you do not believe they should be used together then dont use them together.

P.S. They do not "fight each other for a receptor" sorry to let you in on that, again do some research by using that search button.

**Smart@$$** · 01-16-2005, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

all im saying deca/EQ combo isnt done here one of my good friends owns BioTest rights for SA and they sponsor our top bodybuilders. no offence bro but judging from your picture id rather take someone's advice whos competed many many times. You also havent explained why is it a GOOD combo."They bind to Androgen receptor sites" you say? which ones exactly? shed some light please. How come no site ive come across ever has a Deca/Eq combo as advised cycle?how come layman's quide doesn't recomend it? most of the MDs that i read have never had deca/EQ combo why? even the front page of this site doesnt have it in recommended cycles why?. Please explain im here to gather new info not to verbally fight with you, maybe here in south A we dont know much, explain, thats the way to go right? you said it yourself...

NO FLAMING!
ATTENTION MODS!
So can someone educate themselves by gathering data, and watching from real world experiences? If this wan't true your mom and dad would have never tried to teach you anything. Learning through experience can be the most painful leasons. bigklg has always stated he has only done one cycle but he hangs out with bodybuilders and has been natty over two years. Stop flaming because something you were told by your freinds may not be the truth.

**Reciever84** · 01-16-2005, 08:25 AM

The reason I am asking these questions is because I was tossing up between doing 500test 400Eq, or dbol test250 and deca300 but found so much info saying ones better than the other. And with that deca cycle should you run nolva throughout the whole cycle, or is it just good to have on hand?

**Big_Lex** · 01-16-2005, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Smart@$$

NO FLAMING!
ATTENTION MODS!
So can someone educate themselves by gathering data, and watching from real world experiences? If this wan't true your mom and dad would have never tried to teach you anything. Learning through experience can be the most painful leasons. bigklg has always stated he has only done one cycle but he hangs out with bodybuilders and has been natty over two years. Stop flaming because something you were told by your freinds may not be the truth.

hehe where did you come from "ATTENTION MODS" LOL. werent you the guy who posted proviron , arimidex and nolva together thread earlier? lol now you giving me advice and opinions? read the whole post smart@$$ hehe. I dont follow BIGklgs cycle history nor im interested in it or who he hangs around with. Im purely stating my opinions i got nothing against him i asked for info thats all. But guys like you make me laugh do you even know anything about AAS, AR and test receptors or you read a few threads here and now you trying to be a smart@$$, or purely suck up to guys with a more posts than you?im sure Big will explain properly why he thinks its a good combo dont really understand what you blabbering about. But you made me laugh
thanks

***BajanBastard*** · 01-16-2005, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

all im saying deca/EQ combo isnt done here one of my good friends owns BioTest rights for SA and they sponsor our top bodybuilders. no offence bro but judging from your picture id rather take someone's advice whos competed many many times. You also havent explained why is it a GOOD combo."They bind to Androgen receptor sites" you say? which ones exactly? shed some light please. How come no site ive come across ever has a Deca/Eq combo as advised cycle?how come layman's quide doesn't recomend it? most of the MDs that i read have never had deca/EQ combo why? even the front page of this site doesnt have it in recommended cycles why?. Please explain im here to gather new info not to verbally fight with you, maybe here in south A we dont know much, explain, thats the way to go right? you said it yourself...

Where do I begin with you? Here you are not knowing **** yet you are head strong because a pro said something.

MD? You mean the mag? Cuz most of the steroid writers for that mag don't know ****. Besides William Llewellyn and Jose Antonio.

The front page of this site is OUTDATED. We are working on new drug profiles.

I'm done with you and this argument, keep on believing what you do.

Ok here what to do since you are so offended that i tryed to help you and has resorted to insulting my pic........PM me with your current cycle and train exp and post your pic in the members section if you don't mind.

www.pubmed.com <--------find proof that Boldenone and nandrolone "fights for the same sites" if you do I'll be smart@$$s love slave for a month.

**Big_Lex** · 01-16-2005, 09:02 AM

yet another intelligent reply.

***BajanBastard*** · 01-16-2005, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

yet another intelligent reply.

Do you mean me? All you have to do is prove me wrong. Post proof of your claim.

**Big_Lex** · 01-16-2005, 09:16 AM

arent you the one who posted "total crap" " you dont know sh!t" etc. etc. arent you the one whos supposed to bring out some info. why you need to insult? what are you 16? didnt jackman say earlier "explain to people". Muscular D has sh!t writers? hehe
i will post my pics i said that a few times in my threads at the end of the cycle and after the PCT but not cause you asked for them.

***BajanBastard*** · 01-16-2005, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Big_Lex

arent you the one who posted "total crap" " you dont know sh!t" etc. etc. arent you the one whos supposed to bring out some info. why you need to insult? what are you 16? didnt jackman say earlier "explain to people". Muscular D has sh!t writers? hehe
i will post my pics i said that a few times in my threads at the end of the cycle and after the PCT but not cause you asked for them.

I guess you think Palumbo and Romano work are the words of God huh?

I'll say again William Llewellyn, Jose Antonio and a few others are the only one who are good.

I'll try to explain myself AGAIN.

Anabolic steroids bind to the androgen receptor and glucocorticoid receptor to influence muscle cell growth and slow catabolic activity.

There is no testosterone receptor, nandrolone receptor, boldenone receptor.
So how can deca and EQ "fight for the same sites"?

All I'm hearing from you is "this dude said!" and "so and so says" no proof just hearsay.

**Smart@$$** · 01-16-2005, 09:59 AM

Actually Romano was the first time I ever heard of someone using bold/deca together, and after reading on here and others that actually have tried it say it was good, then I tested it out. Guess what? It works...

**Dude-Man** · 01-16-2005, 12:02 PM

Lex, i suggest you pick up this book:
Non-Reproductive Actions of Sex Steroids Gregory R. Bock 1995

Buy it for $34.30 (Save 78%!!!!!!) at half.com

that's the text for my last semester's endocrinology class. It'll explain why KIG is right and you aren't.

***BajanBastard*** · 01-16-2005, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by chrisAdams

Lex, i suggest you pick up this book:
Non-Reproductive Actions of Sex Steroids Gregory R. Bock 1995

Buy it for $34.30 (Save 78%!!!!!!) at half.com

that's the text for my last semester's endocrinology class. It'll explain why KIG is right and you aren't.

STFU! Chris! Pros and the dudes at Biotest said they bind to the same receptors! That's all that matters!